[bajasam]

Thousands of vehicles are running around with more than 200K on them that don't burn a drop, are you sure you and your family remembered to change oil every few years?? That most likely would have given you better results.

 

[NissanFrontierPro4x]

they are all 80s cars and I used to think that manufacturers made their vehicles to die out after a few years but I don't think so anymore. the tolerances are way tighter than they used to be and lubricants are better so stuff actually lasts longer. back in the old days (60s, 70, 80s), if you had 100 to 150k on an engine, you were lucky (except European cars, they always lasted many miles). now, cars make that mileage in the first five years and still run strong for double that amount.

they have been trying new metals and alloys in the blocks that have caused problems in the cylinders and caused recalls, but in general, engines last much longer now than they used to in the past.

you would think that would be the case but I'm not so sure. hard to know really. if everything is better now then why are the only high mileage cars you see on the road from the 80s and 90s? you don't see 2000s and up with 500k on the odometer anywhere....at least I don't.

I'm not saying it's impossible but seems to be more rare these days. a big problem now isn't so much engines...it's transmissions. they seem to be made out of plastic these days. they go out left and right way before the engine has any issues.

nissan has practically gone bankrupt from using those crappy cvt transmissions that break at 60k miles. I think they newer ones are getting better....maybe they will make it to 100k then break? I dunno but I would never own a car with a cvt transmission. I've always owned manual trannys. They last the longest. It's too bad they pretty much have stopped making them on all cars these days. There's only a few left. They no longer offer it on the frontier. I'm glad i got one of the last ones made on my 2017 pro4x. 2019 was the last year a manual tranny was offered.

I mean the automatics on the frontiers are fine I guess....but dang this whole cvt idea was the worst idea anyone ever had. I would rather have an electric car or truck than one with a cvt on it.

 

[NissanFrontierPro4x]

Thousands of vehicles are running around with more than 200K on them that don't burn a drop, are you sure you and your family remembered to change oil every few years?? That most likely would have given you better results.

we changed the oil every 3000 miles back in those days. every few years? lol more like every few months.

hey we'll see. I plan to keep my frontier until it starts to use oil. I'll let you know what the mileage is when that happens.

I'm just going by my past experience. I've only had one vehicle I kept over 200k miles and it was my 1988 toyota truck. It started using oil around 150-200k. It didn't use a ton of oil but I did have to add some every week or two to top it off....especially if I drove it on the interstate or speeds 55mph or higher. that would make it use more oil.

It did also use a little antifreeze so maybe it just needed a new headgasket? I wouldn't doubt it. geeze that was like 25 years ago so it's been a while. LOL

The last several vehicles I've owned I sold them in the 50-75k range so oil usage was never an issue.

my brother had an accord that used oil and my sister has had a camry and a corolla and both used oil....they all were around 200k or a little less when they did so. I'm just telling you what I've seen personally. They did routine maintenance on their vehicles too. we aren't the type of people to not do oil changes. we do them every 5000 miles just like the owner's manual says to do it.

 

[invasion08]

you would think that would be the case but I'm not so sure. hard to know really. if everything is better now then why are the only high mileage cars you see on the road from the 80s and 90s? you don't see 2000s and up with 500k on the odometer anywhere....at least I don't.

I'm not saying it's impossible but seems to be more rare these days. a big problem now isn't so much engines...it's transmissions. they seem to be made out of plastic these days. they go out left and right way before the engine has any issues.

nissan has practically gone bankrupt from using those crappy cvt transmissions that break at 60k miles. I think they newer ones are getting better....maybe they will make it to 100k then break? I dunno but I would never own a car with a cvt transmission. I've always owned manual trannys. They last the longest. It's too bad they pretty much have stopped making them on all cars these days. There's only a few left. They no longer offer it on the frontier. I'm glad i got one of the last ones made on my 2017 pro4x. 2019 was the last year a manual tranny was offered.

I mean the automatics on the frontiers are fine I guess....but dang this whole cvt idea was the worst idea anyone ever had. I would rather have an electric car or truck than one with a cvt on it.

Wife’s 2012 Rogue has over 109k miles with no problems with the cvt transmission.

 

[Taylor21554]

Let’s face it. Nowadays the average American won’t keep their vehicle past 200k miles. And their vehicles are capable of it.

it’s just like cell phones. Every year you trade it in to get the new one. Well that phone you ‘had’ if taken care of could last you a good 5 years.

In our society now it’s almost like we’re taught to upgrade.

 

[busemans]

yup /\

I just got a new phone because my galaxy s6 battery was not staying up the whole day anymore. I wish it had an easily replaceable battery because I would still use that phone because it still runs like brand new.

I read to much bad stuff about cvt transmissions to try one. that's why my wife has a ford escape. its still got a regular transmission with gears in it.

 

[RyanD1966]

CVTs are garbage. The theoretical idea isn't that bad, keeping the engine at its torque peak while allowing the vehicle to accelerate, but implementing it on anything making more than 100HP so far, has been very dicey at best. Subaru Justy I believe was the first in the world and made like 89HP so it really couldn't hurt itself. The newer engines making way more power on equal displacement, just a recipe for premature disaster. Disregarding MoPar, automatics for the most part these days are just as reliable as manuals and sometimes actually shift faster and provide better fuel economy. That said, In my family we have 2 x 4 speed autos, 1 x 5 speed auto and 1 x 5 speed M284 Getrag manual.

 

[old greybeard]

I have never had a motor fail. Have gotten rid of Ford Rangers due to every part falling off due to rust. 168k 5 speed original clutch, original cold air, 16 y/o, 4.0 burned no oil. Another Ranger was running perfect at 130k, had rust under control, drunk Russian driver killed it.
200k is nothing on these new motors and transmissions if you do regular fluid changes and don’t beat it.

 

[Lowcountry]

nope it happened on all toyotas, hondas, nissans me and my family has owned....even my 1988 1st gen tacoma before they called them tacomas.

i've never owned a ford, chevy, or dodge in my life. my dad's dodge 1500 started using oil around 150k though.

the old jeep engines would last a good while but new ones will not last as long. they are crap now days since they joined with fiat.

i had a 1988 toyota truck and my brother had a 1984 nissan 300zx. we kept both of them until 300k miles. they started using oil before 200k miles on them. it's just normal for any engine. the rings wear out. they don't last forever. the newer the vehicle the less amount of time they will last too because everything is made cheaply these days. the metal isn't as good or as high of quality like the old days.

my dad has a 1972 chevy c-10 pickup. that thing is almost 50 years old and it would outlast a brand new chevy truck guaranteed.

I am not trying to start a fight, but I must completely disagree.

My 2008 Xterra has over 350,000 miles - doesn't burn a drop. Go over to thenewx.org and you will find lots of guys well over 200K with the VQ40 not burning a drop.

Prior to that I had a Jeep 4.7 v8, a Ford 4.6 v8, and GM 3.1 V6. All made it easily to 200K without burning oil - although in all 3 cases the vehicles fell apart around the engine.

Before that with older engines - mainly ford 302 and ford 300 inline 6, they would burn oil after 100K but it was always worn valve guides not bad rings. Rings haven't been an issue in a couple decades IMHO.

 

[DanB2019]

We've had several vehicles with well over 150k miles that never used a drop of oil. My dad's '89 S10 had 211k on it and it still ran great, and they have 310k on their '10 Hyundai Elantra and all we've done is replace the timing belt a few times ($80 for parts and a few hours of my time - same for my '08 that had 160k on it when I traded it for the Frontier). They had around 200k on their '00 Dakota, and other than the exhaust studs breaking that was a great truck.

I used to work at an auto auction, and I was always surprised at how well the Nissans ran and drove with 150k+ miles, which is one of the reasons I went with the Frontier. I liked the Tacomas but there were issues with frames cracking on several that I inspected, and they just aren't worth the money for what you get, IMHO. The Frontier has to be the best value for a new truck around!

Personally, I would never own a "high end" vehicle (BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc.). The repair costs are outrageous and I drove very few that I actually liked. Even those with well under 100k usually had some kind of issue (mostly electronic-related, but some significant mechanical issues). Granted, they were at auction for a reason, but even if the repair costs were on par with Honda, Nissan, and Toyota, the number of issues I saw would be enough to steer me away...

That being said, how well you maintain and how hard you drive plays a big part of how reliable your vehicle will be.

 

[NissanFrontierPro4x]

Wife’s 2012 Rogue has over 109k miles with no problems with the cvt transmission.

that's a good sign \o/

my nephew had an older altima and the cvt went out at 60k miles. i know they have made improvements over the earlier years.

 

[NissanFrontierPro4x]

Let’s face it. Nowadays the average American won’t keep their vehicle past 200k miles. And their vehicles are capable of it.

it’s just like cell phones. Every year you trade it in to get the new one. Well that phone you ‘had’ if taken care of could last you a good 5 years.

In our society now it’s almost like we’re taught to upgrade.

...I think people would keep their cell phones longer if the batteries would last longer than 2 years before they start going downhill. I have no idea how much they would charge to put a new battery in a phone? probably half the cost of a new phone. it's kinda not worth it if that's the case.

i think most of the upgrading is because after a year or two things change so much so your old phone is "out of date" with newer tech that comes along. everything changes so fast these days.

when i was growing up things stayed the same for like 25 years. nothing ever changed all that much...now everything changes every 25 days it seems lol

 

[NissanFrontierPro4x]

I am not trying to start a fight, but I must completely disagree.

My 2008 Xterra has over 350,000 miles - doesn't burn a drop. Go over to thenewx.org and you will find lots of guys well over 200K with the VQ40 not burning a drop.

Prior to that I had a Jeep 4.7 v8, a Ford 4.6 v8, and GM 3.1 V6. All made it easily to 200K without burning oil - although in all 3 cases the vehicles fell apart around the engine.

Before that with older engines - mainly ford 302 and ford 300 inline 6, they would burn oil after 100K but it was always worn valve guides not bad rings. Rings haven't been an issue in a couple decades IMHO.

hey that's good news if you can make it that long without any oil usage. maybe it's the valve guides causing the oil burning then....but most cars over 200k that i've seen all use some oil between oil changes.

oil usage was the only reason i ever got rid of my 1988 toyota truck. it ran perfectly fine but got tired of adding oil all the time....plus things start wearing out at 250-300k miles like ball joints and whatever and it needed a new paint job. the costs start adding up if you keep trying to "fix it up".....before you know it you could have just bought a brand new truck lol

 

[invasion08]

that's a good sign \o/

my nephew had an older altima and the cvt went out at 60k miles. i know they have made improvements over the earlier years.

I also get the transmission serviced at my local transmission shop.

 

[NissanFrontierPro4x]

We've had several vehicles with well over 150k miles that never used a drop of oil. My dad's '89 S10 had 211k on it and it still ran great, and they have 310k on their '10 Hyundai Elantra and all we've done is replace the timing belt a few times ($80 for parts and a few hours of my time - same for my '08 that had 160k on it when I traded it for the Frontier). They had around 200k on their '00 Dakota, and other than the exhaust studs breaking that was a great truck.

I used to work at an auto auction, and I was always surprised at how well the Nissans ran and drove with 150k+ miles, which is one of the reasons I went with the Frontier. I liked the Tacomas but there were issues with frames cracking on several that I inspected, and they just aren't worth the money for what you get, IMHO. The Frontier has to be the best value for a new truck around!

Personally, I would never own a "high end" vehicle (BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc.). The repair costs are outrageous and I drove very few that I actually liked. Even those with well under 100k usually had some kind of issue (mostly electronic-related, but some significant mechanical issues). Granted, they were at auction for a reason, but even if the repair costs were on par with Honda, Nissan, and Toyota, the number of issues I saw would be enough to steer me away...

That being said, how well you maintain and how hard you drive plays a big part of how reliable your vehicle will be.

dang never heard of a hyundai with that many miles on it...i knew people that had them in the past and they basically fell apart at 100k miles. i have heard they have gotten better over the years though.

really 300k out of any car is a good life. if it will last that long with no major repairs then it's a good vehicle.

 

[NissanFrontierPro4x]

I also get the transmission serviced at my local transmission shop.

are you saying he didn't? lol

usually the first fluid change on a cvt is at 60k miles on most cvt's.

 

[busemans]

Isn't that also when you start looking to change the belt in them?

 

[NissanFrontierPro4x]

Isn't that also when you start looking to change the belt in them?

i don't think you change the belt in a cvt...it's metal.

i've never owned a cvt and never will. lol manual tranny is all i will drive. hate automatics....and hate cvts even more.

this one lasted to 186k miles. a manual tranny will last 500k or more so it's the safest bet. might have to get a new clutch one time but that isn't that expensive. a new cvt is real expensive.

i mean on a 1.6L 4cyl engine in a versa the cvt may be ok for 200k miles. those engines only have 122hp and the car is light. you start getting bigger engines and bigger vehicles the cvt is a really bad idea.

 

[busemans]

I knew they were metal but I read that they go out because they wear until they put so much metal into the fluid that stuff breaks. So you had to change the belt to get back to normal.

From what I understand, they act like the clutch from a go cart that moves in and out and the belt moves up and down the clutch

 

[invasion08]

are you saying he didn't? lol

usually the first fluid change on a cvt is at 60k miles on most cvt's.

I never said he didn’t.