[fr0nt1er]

So after much reading, I still have some axle questions before I buy a Titan PRG suspension swap.
Because now would be a good time to do a Titan front dif swap also, if it would work, and be an improvement.


#1. Are the spider gears in the Titan M205 auto, with big tow / offroad package, 3.357 gears front differential,
stronger and larger, than the frontier m180 front differential spider, and side gears?

I don't see any point in swapping if the gears are not any sronger.
Other than the housing, and half shafts being stronger in the m205, the gears would still break.


#2. Is it ok to run the Titan front differential with the 3.36 gears, with the 3.357 gears in the rear axle?
Or is this enough of a difference to cause problems?


#3. Can the 5A C200 rear differential, with 3.357 gears, in a 2008 frontier, SE, 4X4, crew cab, automatic, be run with the Titan M205 front differential with 3.36 gears?


#4. What gears are in the M180 front differential, in an 08, 4x4, SE, crew cab, automatic?

Wouldn't they have to be the 3.36, or 3.357 gears to match the rear, if they are the 5A C200 3.357 axle gears?


#5. Would the cruise control system stop working if I do a Titan front differential swap on this model of frontier?

 

[mike]

1. Yes they are lager. Every part of the M205 diff is lager.

2. The 3.357 and the 3.36 are the same. In gear ratio it common to rounded up.

3. same as above

4. 3.36 gears.

5. No.

 

[fr0nt1er]

So I could switch to a Nismo 5A M226 rear axle with the 3.357 gears, without messing up my cruise control, or abs, since they both have the same gearing?

And would the 4X4 control function still activate the M226 properly, or is it a different control module?

Can I get the tru track limited slip gears, in a 3.357 ratio for the 5A M226 rear axle?

How about ARB locker in 3.357 for the 5A M226 rear axle.


That is good news that I could do a Titan front differential swap while still temporarily using the 5A C200 rear axle. There are more options than I thought there were.

Because then I could do a Titan differential swap at the same time I do my Titan front suspension kit, and then be able to use the Titan half shafts, since they will fit the frontier SE.


Now I just have to make sure that my 2008frontier, SE, 4X4, crew cab, automatic, has the 5A C200 with the 3.357 gears.

And find a titan front differential.

Would anyone happen to know the correct part number for the Titan M205 front differential with the 3.357 gears?

Thanks.

 

[AndysLog]

it doesnt matter what ratio you have for the lsd

 

[mike]

So I could switch to a Nismo 5A M226 rear axle with the 3.357 gears, without messing up my cruise control, or abs, since they both have the same gearing?

You will need the ABS sensors from an M226. The ABS sensors in your C200K will not work in a M226. Since you have a Long Bed you need a M226 out a 2WD NISMO.

And would the 4X4 control function still activate the M226 properly, or is it a different control module?

Swapping diff's has no effect on any other part of the truck.

Can I get the tru track limited slip gears, in a 3.357 ratio for the 5A M226 rear axle?

How about ARB locker in 3.357 for the 5A M226 rear axle.

You could do ether but the NSIMO axle comes with a locker.

 

[fr0nt1er]

it doesnt matter what ratio you have for the lsd

I have never heard of, not needing the front differential gear ratio, and rear axle gear ratio to match in a 4x4 application.

I thought that having gear ratios match in both the front and rear differential, was manditory reguardless of wether they are a LSD, or locker.

You will need the ABS sensors from an M226. The ABS sensors in your C200K will not work in a M226. Since you have a Long Bed you need a M226 out a 2WD NISMO.


Swapping diff's has no effect on any other part of the truck.


You could do ether but the NSIMO axle comes with a locker.

If I got the e-locker, would I have to get the e-locker wiring to make the 4X4 feature work?
Or is that wiring just for the locking feature?


Aren't the stock Nismo 3.357 M226 gears considered to be weak?
That is why I was looking at the other options.


The only Nismo's I see listed with the M226 rear axle that already have the 3.357 gears are the;

NISMO KC 4x4 5A M226 3.357
NISMO CC 4x4 5A M226 3.357


So what you are saying is that I would have to get a M226 housing out of a 2wd Nismo, then get the 3.357 gears seperatley correct?


What is different on the 4x4 m226 rear differential, then on a 2wd Nismo M226?

 

[mike]

If I got the e-locker, would I have to get the e-locker wiring to make the 4X4 feature work?
Or is that wiring just for the locking feature?

Just for the locker.

Aren't the stock Nismo 3.357 M226 gears considered to be weak?
That is why I was looking at the other options.

Spider gears would brake. The first 2 or 3 years of the M226 rear with the locker there was only 4 spider gears. Since then there are 6 spiders.

So what you are saying is that I would have to get a M226 housing out of a 2wd Nismo, then get the 3.357 gears seperatley correct?

Yes.

What is different on the 4x4 m226 rear differential, then on a 2wd Nismo M226?

The rear drive shaft. 4WD have a 4 bolt yoke. 2WD have 6 bolt yoke.

 

[fr0nt1er]

Spider gears would brake. The first 2 or 3 years of the M226 rear with the locker there was only 4 spider gears. Since then there are 6 spiders.

The rear drive shaft. 4WD have a 4 bolt yoke. 2WD have 6 bolt yoke.

I am starting to get the picture now.


So I couldn't just get a complete 3.357 M226 Nismo 4X4 unit, and just change the yoke to a Nismo 2wd M226 yoke?


Either way I would have to deal with the yoke issue, because all of the 3.357 M226 gears are off of the 4X4 model.


So it looks like if I go to the trouble of doing the Titan front dif swap, and M226 rear axle swap, that my driveline would be the weak point.


Then it wouldn't make much sense to do the Titan dif, and nismo M226 swap, unless there is a better driveline and u joint solution.
I wonder if someone makes a custom driveline for this application already.


Any ideas?

 

[colin123]

I have never heard of, not needing the front differential gear ratio, and rear axle gear ratio to match in a 4x4 application.

I thought that having gear ratios match in both the front and rear differential, was manditory reguardless of wether they are a LSD, or locker.

what andy is saying is that when you get the LSD it doesn't come with gears or anything and it will bolt up to any gears that come in that diff. The LSD just replaces the carrier, it has nothing to do with what gear ratio you have.

 

[fr0nt1er]

what andy is saying is that when you get the LSD it doesn't come with gears or anything and it will bolt up to any gears that come in that diff. The LSD just replaces the carrier, it has nothing to do with what gear ratio you have.

I see. Since I would just be using the same ring gear and pinion that I needed to match the front differentials gear ratio. That is if I can resolve the yoke issue.

For some reason I was thinking the LSD replaced the ring and pinion also.

I still need to figure out how the yoke system works on the M226 pinion.
And how it attaches to the pinion, or if it's one peice.

Because only the 2wd M226 has the yoke I would need, but only the 4X4 M226 has the 3.357 gears that I would need.

I would like to just get the complete 4x4M226 with the 3.357 gears, and change the yoke to the 6 bolt style.

The shop manual doesn't show a complete breakdown of the gear assembly on the M226, or the C200.

 

[bigdog]

there are a couple guys on this forum that have had custom yokes (or driveshafts) made to deal with this issue. look for the pro2x thread on m226 swap to get an idea of what he did.

 

[fr0nt1er]

Thanks. That helped me find a bunch of info on this issue.


If I get the 4X4 m226 with the 3.357 gears, then I would just have to get a custom driveline to make it fit.


But now I found another problem. Because my truck is the SE, 4X4, CC, LB, with the value truck package.


That means that I have the ABLS system. And I'm not sure if I can make the Nismo M226 work, with the SE ABLS system or not.


Here's what the build list would look like:


Titan M205 front dif swap, with 3.357 gears.

Titan front suspension swap with 2.5 radflo coilovers.

Titan front axles. To fit Titan front suspension and dif swap.

Maybe Titan front and rear brakes.

Nismo M226 rear axle, with 3.357 gears. Last.

Nismo control panel, switch, and wiring for the locker.

Custom driveline. Cause the long bed SE 4X4 has a 6 bolt yoke and flange, and the M226 4X4 with the 3.357 gears has the 4 bolt yoke.

New rear springs, deavers, or race pack.

New rear shocks.

New tires.

Shrockworks front and rear bumpers.

Shrockworks sliders.

Shrockworks skidplates.

Custom radiator, or fan cooled, thermostat controlled external transmission cooler.

Cold air intake, headers, and full exhaust.

Nismo wheels.

 

[Nissan4Life]

I thoght all truck have the abls. I know that mine does.

 

[fr0nt1er]

Well just from looking at the 2008 frontier brochure,

The crew cab 4X4 nismo / LE models with the technology package have 4 wheel ABLS.

King cab 4X4 Nismo with automatic only, and the traction package has the ABLS.

2wd Nismo models have 2-wheel abls.

SE king / crew cab has ABLS with the Value Truck package.

Only ABS on the XE.

It also lists ABLS as a standard feature on the Nismo.
Then it lists it as part of a package.

I will need more information about how it works. And how it would affect a M226 swap, on my SE.

If I can ever get it figured out, this would be a fun project.
Information is hard to come by though, like it's a secret or something.

 

[bigdog]

I have an SE with value package and did the M226 swap. Not sure why you say it won't work. You just need to get ABS sensors for the M226.

 

[fr0nt1er]

I wasn't sure if it would or not.

I read on one of the M226 swap threads that someone had problems with the SE ABLS hardware fitting. Or being compatable with the Nismo M226 locker system.

That's good news that it will work.

 

[bigdog]

I wasn't sure if it would or not.

I read on one of the M226 swap threads that someone had problems with the SE ABLS hardware fitting. Or being compatable with the Nismo M226 locker system.

That's good news that it will work.

I'm not sure what fitting that would be. The ABS sensors are differant, everything else bolted right on for me.

 

[frontyfan]

I have the factory locker switch at home if you'd like. I bought the damn thing from a dealership for $50 or so plus shippingI think. You can have it for $20 plus shipping. Also, you may just want to go with OTRATTW.com, they have great switches for $12 each. The part number for the locker sub-harness for the diff is 24168-EA800. It was a major b-i-t-c-h to find. Took me four days, fifteen phone calls to various dealerships, three personal visits and a guess to figure it out....with no help from Nissan.

you can check out my build thread or search for "M226 swap is done" I think that's the name of it. There's no pics of the swap, but it's plug and play other than having to make your custom DS I guess.

 

[fr0nt1er]

I have the factory locker switch at home if you'd like. I bought the damn thing from a dealership for $50 or so plus shippingI think. You can have it for $20 plus shipping. Also, you may just want to go with OTRATTW.com, they have great switches for $12 each. The part number for the locker sub-harness for the diff is 24168-EA800. It was a major b-i-t-c-h to find. Took me four days, fifteen phone calls to various dealerships, three personal visits and a guess to figure it out....with no help from Nissan.

you can check out my build thread or search for "M226 swap is done" I think that's the name of it. There's no pics of the swap, but it's plug and play other than having to make your custom DS I guess.

Thanks. I saw that part # for the locker harness on your thread. And the OTRATTW switches. Those switches are nice.

I will be doing the titan swap, and front dif first. And the M226 later. Maybe even run the C200 until I break it.

Probly will use the OTRATTW switches.

The part number I am having trouble finding, is that OEM Nismo 4x4 and locker 4 swich trim panel. That replaces the stock SE pocket and 4x4 switch panel.

 

[bigdog]

The part number I am having trouble finding, is that OEM Nismo 4x4 and locker 4 swich trim panel. That replaces the stock SE pocket and 4x4 switch panel.

Is this what you are looking for?

25412MA - CARRIER-SW ASSY - [email protected] parts