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Did you see this one. Post #9... excellent
Yeah I went through that thread years ago before I even had subs in my truck. That box in post #9 is similar to what I'm trying to do, but that box is only for a single 10W1

AE doesn't do the panel thing on that box. I didn't like that either. Since I didn't have a preferred driver to put in the box, I found the JL on a quick search and knew it had good reviews so the shallow depth worked perfect for me.
Well you said "I didn't have a preferred driver"... if I didn't either then we all wouldn't be having this conversation, I would have just bought another prefab, bought whatever subs fit, and call it a day LOL

Just ran across this. Would fit nicely as a prefab setup. wish it was cheaper though, essentially they're charging like $130 for this tiny box since the sub can be had for $190. Normal for JL. very tempting though. i just think it would lack the output i'm looking for. unfortunately i need to replace an alpine type-r 10 with 500wrms, this would probably be about half of that. Enclosure Dimensions: 5.563" D x 15.00" W x 11.75" H
All of you guys are talking SINGLE subwoofer enclosures... but you know how you just said "i just think it would lack the output i'm looking for."?

- There's a reason why I want to keep two 10" subs. ::wink::

But that doesn't really help you raine since you have two subs so i apologize for mini thread-jacking. just wanted to throw this out as a possibility for others who may be looking for a relatively cheap prefab option. i really think a custom box is the best solution for us for sure... i'll shut up on this now and look forward to your custom build!
No apologies needed - we're all talking about the same stuff. And it's car audio stuff, I enjoy discussing car audio.

The single sub prefab boxes are a quick way to get bass in the truck, but I just don't like the "universal" look of the enclosures. Plus technically I've already done the "prefab" with the old enclosure and I'm not satisfied with it, there's flaws in its design, and Ithink it can be improved on, albeit requiring custom work to be done.

...otherwise I would just buy another of the same box and it's done ::laugh::
 

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Have you considered fiberglass or are you trying to stay with mdf?
Yes, I have considered fiberglass. Idea #1 was to go full fiberglass with top firing subs, but I've never worked with fiberglass before, so I'd have to learn how to do it. Plus that would require some down time with my truck, but it's a daily driver so I'd have to figure out where to squeeze in the time.

Idea #2 was to do a combo MDF/fiberglass, top firing again, with the MDF being the bulk of the enclosure (top, sides) and the fiberglass to match the curved floor. But again, that would require me to learn how to do fiberglass first.

Right now (Idea #3) I'm trying to come up with a down-firing enclosure made mainly from MDF - using the original prefab box as my template, but modifying the sizing and corners to how I'd want it. With this idea, the only parts that would need fiberglass (or maybe just some Bondo) would be the rounded corner to match closely with the seat cushion shape.

So for right now I'm working based on idea #3. I want to get a rough frame built up first with MDF, checking fitment and if a top fire config with a fiberglass floor would actually be worth the trouble, then decide if I want to try #2 or lean more towards #3.
 

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What surface material works best under a down-firing sub?
 

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well so much for that 'perfect' kicker box, the sellers on ebay don't have them any more and haven't updated/removed their listings. so that box is history just like the MTX and JL stealthboxes. i'm surprised they stopped making those, not like there aren't any Frontiers out there... ?! is our truck really that unpopular? seriously bummed out now.

what are the pros and cons to downfiring? with our trucks i'm not sure if up facing is good since anyone who sits there would potentially be crushing the thing unless we make the box super shallow... for that reason i ilke the idea of down firing but then we also need at least half an inch of space underneath it which also robs precious box volume... nothing really a win/win i think
 

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well so much for that 'perfect' kicker box, the sellers on ebay don't have them any more and haven't updated/removed their listings. so that box is history just like the MTX and JL stealthboxes. i'm surprised they stopped making those, not like there aren't any Frontiers out there... ?! is our truck really that unpopular? seriously bummed out now.
don't know what you're talking about... that box wasn't made for Frontiers LOL it's just a Kicker prefab that happens to have the right dimensions.

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What surface material works best under a down-firing sub?
Do you mean material as in what surface the sub fires the sound into (i.e. metal floor, carpet, etc.)?

what are the pros and cons to downfiring? with our trucks i'm not sure if up facing is good since anyone who sits there would potentially be crushing the thing unless we make the box super shallow... for that reason i ilke the idea of down firing but then we also need at least half an inch of space underneath it which also robs precious box volume... nothing really a win/win i think
Rear seats are supported by a metal bottom plate, so if you're crushing subs underneath, you're bending the rear set bottom first.

Down-firing or up-firing underneath a seat bottom like our trucks basically takes up the same space because if you do up-firing you still need a gap for the air pressure to get out. Also, ideally the mounting surface of the subs would be angled slightly towards the front seats, not perfectly flat... if you do down-firing then the gap is at the bottom with the top of the box flush with the seat and if you do up-firing then the gap would be on top, with the box flush with the floor.

What's also good about the Crew Cab is that the upper and lower surfaces opposite the subwoofer box are both metal - the cab floor and the underside of the seat bottom. With an angled down-firing enclosure (like my old prefab) the bass comes out of the subs, hits the metal floor at an angle, and forces the sound forward into the cab. Likewise, with an angled up-firing enclosure, the bass would come out of the sub, hit the metal rear seat bottom at an angle, and shoot into the cab as well.

Note that in both examples above, the key is having the subwoofer mounting surface at an angle; if you do a perfectly flat up-firing or bottom-firing enclosure, you risk the bass bouncing back toward the subwoofer cone, causing distortion and possible speaker damage.

That said... the trick with the Frontier is actually applying the above with the subwoofers I have due to their physical dimensions. These 10TW1-4 subs pump out a lot of bass together, and I am trying to keep that level of bass with the new enclosure.
 

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Raine, your write ups are always great and your pictures are always on point. Even for something as simple as a bed mat. You should be doing product reviews for a living.
Thanks, I used to work at a magazine at one point in time.
 

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I spent way too long reading this thread. I’ve definitely gotten a lotta ideas for subtle things I’d like to start with like the red tow hooks. One unique thing I’m trying to do is figure out some type of rack I can use to hold my ladders and conduit I carry with me since this is a work truck, but will still look good like the off road style bed racks and roof racks I see on other peoples trucks. Any input or ideas would be appreciated. A topper would be perfect, but I’m not about to spend $2k+ on one. Maybe a tannou cover that would work with a rack? I haven’t had much luck on here finding solutions but you seem creative
 

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I spent way too long reading this thread. I’ve definitely gotten a lotta ideas for subtle things I’d like to start with like the red tow hooks. One unique thing I’m trying to do is figure out some type of rack I can use to hold my ladders and conduit I carry with me since this is a work truck, but will still look good like the off road style bed racks and roof racks I see on other peoples trucks. Any input or ideas would be appreciated. A topper would be perfect, but I’m not about to spend $2k+ on one. Maybe a tannou cover that would work with a rack? I haven’t had much luck on here finding solutions but you seem creative
Take a look at the what have you done to your truck today thread a guy did a nice rack recently I think it was a Tacoma rack or something.

Raine, gotta say I agree about your write ups. Hell they are so good I can't imagine a YouTube video doing justice to the write up!

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I spent way too long reading this thread. I’ve definitely gotten a lotta ideas for subtle things I’d like to start with like the red tow hooks. One unique thing I’m trying to do is figure out some type of rack I can use to hold my ladders and conduit I carry with me since this is a work truck, but will still look good like the off road style bed racks and roof racks I see on other peoples trucks. Any input or ideas would be appreciated. A topper would be perfect, but I’m not about to spend $2k+ on one. Maybe a tannou cover that would work with a rack? I haven’t had much luck on here finding solutions but you seem creative
I've never seen someone with a tonneau and a cargo rack... because the cargo rack has to bolt to the bedside tops, and that's where tonneau's also attach.

Raine, gotta say I agree about your write ups. Hell they are so good I can't imagine a YouTube video doing justice to the write up!
Thanks... writing vs. video has way different requirements, I write this stuff when I can squeeze some free time out of the day. We used to do writing and video at a previous job and video is very time consuming.
 

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Very nice work. Way more than I could ever do. I just want a nice Alpine head unit with nav, and a mild amp...
 
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