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Nice build! Looking to do the same set up to my rear suspension and was wondering what the benefits\difference is by adding the 2.5 degree axle shims are? Thanks ahead of time
It helps decrease the angle of the differential input shaft. When you lift the rear, the driveshaft-to-input angle is increased... in other words, there's more angle at the U-joint between the center driveshaft and the input of the rear axle housing. So the higher you lift the rear (as in: the farther away the axle is from the chassis) this angle increases.

To high of an angle can cause more drivetrain noise, weird vibrations, premature u-joint wear, etc. The shim helps tilt the front of the axle housing (and thus the input shaft location) upward to decrease the angle, to help prevent the issues I just mentioned.

EDIT: A lot of people try shims if they get weird vibrations/noise at certain speeds (even with stock suspension); I did not have any of the issues, I installed the shims as a preventive measure since I was taking the rear suspension apart already when doing the upgrade.
 

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Those look sweet in there.

Nice write-up! I like that you detail everything really well. The more information we can get out to people, the better.
 

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I wasn't expecting such a detailed response, but THANK YOU! I'm sure that folks in the market will find your comments extremely useful. And YES, customer service DOES MATTER!
You asked for my reasoning, and making my decision was (obviously) a lot more involved than just flipping a coin or reading forum threads LOL

Plus I'd rather give a complete answer once, than to give a vague answer 20 times. It's more efficient hahah
 

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Congrats on the TCs! They should treat you well, I have many friends that run their kits on other trucks and all have been bulletproof. Only reason I have eBay arms is that I was on a super tight budget and got a screaming deal on a used set. I also believe that most of the low cost comes from the absolute **** uniballs and hardware they provide. With quality uniballs and hardware now installed, I have had zero issues with them and have beat on them pretty good.
 

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Congrats on the TCs! They should treat you well, I have many friends that run their kits on other trucks and all have been bulletproof. Only reason I have eBay arms is that I was on a super tight budget and got a screaming deal on a used set. I also believe that most of the low cost comes from the absolute **** uniballs and hardware they provide. With quality uniballs and hardware now installed, I have had zero issues with them and have beat on them pretty good.
Yeah "bulletproof" seems to be the common word I heard when it came to the TCs...

...as for you running the eBay arms, hey brother - if it works for you then it works. So I'm guessing you did the upgrade with the PRG kit? Just curious, what was the total cost (eBay arms + uniball kit + any other related costs)?
 

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I too like the TC UCA but have a hard time with the $700 price tag.
Right now you can get the Frontier ebay arms for $200 and $150 for the hardware upgrade kit. At $350 it is half the cost of the TC arms.
Mind I ask how you got them for $600.

Greg posted a traditional ball join retro fit for his PRG UCA. Both for the Titan and the F/X arms. I am hoping that I can use these for the ebay TC clones. The titan version as it is a 1" ball. I assume yes since all manufactures of the UCA use the same uniball. Note that PRG F/X arms use a 7/8" uniball, and the titan a 1". TC uses a 1" for both. Here are some pictures.


 

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Congrats on the Total Chaos arms .... Just got my TC's installed Monday night, along with the rest of the new suspension pieces!
 

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I too like the TC UCA but have a hard time with the $700 price tag.
Right now you can get the Frontier ebay arms for $200 and $150 for the hardware upgrade kit. At $350 it is half the cost of the TC arms.
Mind I ask how you got them for $600.

Greg posted a traditional ball join retro fit for his PRG UCA. Both for the Titan and the F/X arms. I am hoping that I can use these for the ebay TC clones. The titan version as it is a 1" ball. I assume yes since all manufactures of the UCA use the same uniball. Note that PRG F/X arms use a 7/8" uniball, and the titan a 1". TC uses a 1" for both.

Yes, $350 is half the cost of TC arms... but the "upgrade kit" only covers half of the whole UCA assembly. You're still using the eBay arm portion itself. So there's no way of knowing what metal tubing was used and if the welding was done right. In my years I've tried/seen instances where eBay suspension arms worked as good as 3x $$ branded aftermarket, and I've seen some fail miserably after some spirited driving... all this is on cars though, but I'd guess that off-roading would put more stress on UCAs than road racing.

Oh and just to be clear again, I'm not knocking anyone who's running eBay arms, or eBay/PRG upgrade combo, etc. All I was saying is that for certain things I'm happier spending more for a proven component (in this case, a vital front suspension component). Like I told glamisdude - if it works for you, then it works for you. I have no problem with that.

Changing subjects - that traditional ball joint interests me (where was that posted?)... since the TC UCAs still have one uniball at the knuckle joint. I wonder if that retrofit would work with my TC arms? Then again I'm not getting any added noise whatsoever with the TCs on.

Congrats on the Total Chaos arms .... Just got my TC's installed Monday night, along with the rest of the new suspension pieces!
Ya boy... what setup are you running?
 

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Nisstec front coil overs with the TC upper arms ..... new 5100 Bilsteins with OME Dakar 2" leaf pack on the rear. (my old springs were done at 71,000 miles) .... Also got the OME greaseable shackles. Only about 15 miles on it so far.
 

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Nisstec front coil overs with the TC upper arms ..... new 5100 Bilsteins with OME Dakar 2" leaf pack on the rear. (my old springs were done at 71,000 miles) .... Also got the OME greaseable shackles. Only about 15 miles on it so far.
Nice setup... I was looking at the OME LD leaf pack but I put more of my money into the front coilovers first. The AAL is working perfectly fine so far, but later down the road I do want to upgrade to a complete leaf pack eventually.
 

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The info on the ball joint retro fit is on PRG's facebook page. Pretty old now.
The reason I want a traditional sealed BJ is due to exposure. I don't feel that open spherical bearings should be placed on a road going car. On a race car yes, but not one that sees mud, snow, dirt, and salt.
I have some suspension links on my car that have open rod end bearings. What a PITA. My current ones have nitril boot, that is pretty nice. Have not found a suitable boot for a 1" uniball.
 

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The info on the ball joint retro fit is on PRG's facebook page. Pretty old now.
The reason I want a traditional sealed BJ is due to exposure. I don't feel that open spherical bearings should be placed on a road going car. On a race car yes, but not one that sees mud, snow, dirt, and salt.
I have some suspension links on my car that have open rod end bearings. What a PITA. My current ones have nitril boot, that is pretty nice. Have not found a suitable boot for a 1" uniball.
Sad, even on their Facebook page all you see is "hey been trying to contact you for 2 weeks" or similar lol
 

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I'm currently debating between the SPC arms and the TC's... knowing where you got the TC's for a screaming deal would almost certainly tip the balance that direction! Truck's coming along great man. Thanks for taking the time to share.
 
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