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New pro 4x feeling lazy?

3.2K views 23 replies 12 participants last post by  valleyguy  
#1 ·
This is going to sound kinda childish but I couldn't help myself. I recently bought a 15 pro 4x CC with the auto, and I finally got it past it's break in period and slowly started to get into a bit and see what it was really like. Buddy of mine has pretty well the same truck just a different color and 2 years older and we where chating in a parking lot and he had to go so when he left he punches it from a dead stop no brake or anything and it leaves maybe 3-4 feet of rubber from both rear tires, so I'm thinking it's broke in why not, I punch it (with the VDC off) and it doesn't even bark the tires. No big deal could have just been a bad take off.

On my way home I decide I'm going to try a brake stand it (VDC off) it comes up to roughly 2000 rpm and starts to spin and as it starts to gain RPM I let off the break and it almost instantly stops spinning and slowly drives away. Even pulling out somewhere where it should spin the inside tire it just kinda chirps a bit. Obviously this is not a V8 and it's not suppose to be burning the tires off it at every stab of the go pedal but I just thought it would be a bit more peppy from a dig. All this stuff was tried with the VDC off which doesnt really control much other than limiting engine power when loss of traction occures.
 
#2 ·
I was able to squawk the tires pretty good at an intersect by romping on it at take-off (no power-braking with traction control on)... Didn't try to sustain it, but it seemed to have decent power. I have the Hankook DynaPro ATM 265/75R16 tires that came from the dealer...

My only complaint so far is the shift points make it feel less 'confident' when accelerating moderately. Feels a little sluggish, but it's probably a trade-off for more low-end torque...
 
#4 ·
Might be worth taking it back to the dealer regarding a lack of power. It should be able to break the wheels loose on dry pavement when you flatten the accelerator. I have also broken them loose backing into my driveway. There is a steep curb and if I get my front wheel against the curb, the back one will break trying to pull the truck over it.

What you are experiencing seems to be abnormal...
 
#7 ·
Kind of depends on your relationship with the dealer :)

I was pretty honest with my dealer that it was going to be a toy and I would be 'playing' with it... I didn't push it outside of the break-in parameters, but I definitely was not easy on it during the test drive. We climbed a couple dirt piles at a construction project, pushed the take-offs a bit, did some quick cornering to see how it would handle.

Since I was looking for a specific color truck (not the one we were driving), he knew I wasn't buying the actual truck i was test driving. I doubt he would be surprised if I showed up at the service desk complaining that it wouldn't turn the tires over :)

I assume if you are 'missing' low-end torque, you could frame your issue as an inability pull/tow or that you needed to accelerate to get out of an 'accident situation' and it felt sluggish.
 
#9 ·
I sort of disregarded the comparison to his buddy's truck and compared it more to mine (same year/package/trim/tires)... Granted, everyone's perspective is different, but seems that his is not performing as well as mine (from the description).

I have yet to do any performance mods, have 2500 miles (just out of the break-in period), so we should be very similar.

A Prius was my daily driver, so the Fronty feels like it has unlimited power in comparison. He should be able to break the tires loose with the 4 liter under the hood.
 
#10 ·
Just had a thought...

There are a number of posts referring to a "Power Brake" mod...

http://www.clubfrontier.org/forums/f11/burnout-mod-titan-forum-119241/

http://www.clubfrontier.org/forums/f23/power-brake-mod-21777/

The poster claims that when the brakes are applied, the engine is limited to 20% power. There is a mod that allows you to disable that and power brake the truck.

In my case, I held the brake until I was ready to roll (no accelerator), then released the brake and mashed the accelerator... If you are holding the brake, maybe you are encountering that limitation. Haven't tried it on my truck yet, so it might not be relevant. Will know later...
 
#14 · (Edited)
The poster claims that when the brakes are applied, the engine is limited to 20% power. There is a mod that allows you to disable that and power brake the truck.

In my case, I held the brake until I was ready to roll (no accelerator), then released the brake and mashed the accelerator... If you are holding the brake, maybe you are encountering that limitation. Haven't tried it on my truck yet, so it might not be relevant. Will know later...
That's my guess. Modern vehicles have a bunch of electronic nannies to prevent driveline damage and failure from abuse.
My mechanic once told me that when you apply throttle, you are making a "suggestion" for acceleration. It's up to the ECU to decide how much throttle to apply.
Remember the runaway Toyotas a few years back? Mfg's put a stop to that nonsense by installing algorithms to prevent simultaneous brake and throttle. If you are on the brake, you can't get a throttle.
 
#11 ·
My 2015 Pro4-x has quite the punch on the launch, if i am not careful i will leave 11's behind. I have done a few pulls on the highway with it too and i have never been beaten by any silverados, f150 or dodge. It always has been neck to neck and i always pull away after going past 100. (Don't try this at home kids!!)

My break in process was little different too but maybe your ECU is not flashed at full potential.
 
#12 ·
I'm not really comparing my buddies truck to mine as it does have alot more break in than mine and tires are deffinitly different and more worn but I still should be able to get a bit out of it at a light. I get the brake thing and that might be the thing for the brake burn but I still should have full power at take off. As for it being quick enough to mess with a fullsize...there is no way this truck would hang with a fullsize with a V8..heck the other day a 4L yota pulled away from me and I couldn't gain any ground on him untill he let off. I am just out of the break-in time maybe 200 kms out of it so maybe it will come around and get use to my new driving because during break in I was driving it pretty easy. Maybe I'll sneak on off the lot and try it and see if it feels the same. I did get a chirp out of it today at a stop light so maybe its coming around.
 
#22 ·
When I got my new 12 6 Speed CC I initially thought it should be a little quicker based on driving my friends 08 CC Auto. I ended up using the stop watch on my phone, and measuring 0 to 60 ,and managed 7.2 which is in line with what reviewers get so I felt better about it.

A Frontier 4.0 can most definitely hang, and beat many Full Size V8 trucks. Not the absolute latest ones with the biggest engines like the Ram Hemis with 8 speeds, or GM 6.2s but it should have no problems hanging or beating others.

My friend has a 04 GMC Sierra 5.3. No way that Jap V6 truck could beat his mighty V8!!! Well after 3 runs, I walked away every time. He's still not happy about that.

I have a Titan now, and my Frontier was every bit as quick if not a little quicker.
 
#13 ·
you broke it in too easy. gotta heat it up to get the rings to seat :p

no really, my grampas Buick was broken in by my grampa and it was a turd. My mom's was a demonstrator (driven as a loaner and by salespeople) and was quite peppy (for a Buick). example 2: My FIL's drove the Firebird 5 under the limit and I doubt ever broke 2k rpm, it wasn't a turd but after I took it from 32k to 40k miles (smiling most of the time) he commented that it seemed MUCH peppier.

Actually, VDC controls lateral and rotational motion ABLS is Nissan's name for traction control and is not turned off by the VDC disable button.
 
#15 ·
On my engine for my old Trans am after I got it back from a rebuild he told me to drive it like I was going to so I beat the snotout of that thing and it had no problems ever. Of course they broke in the cam and stuff before I got it but other than that I drove pretty hard. Maybe I was to easy on the frontier, but I didn't want anything to go wrong because I want to keep this for a long time.
 
#16 ·
I can stand on the brake, bring it to 2300rps then full throttle with the vdc off and smoke the tires till I let off. Tires are stock size BFG AT's. This is on concrete road.
 
#18 ·
Hard to say without actually having it hooked up and watching what everything is doing at the time. Guess I'll just have to keep an eye on it and see if it improves. I would like to get a volant intake but I think my lift will come first.
 
#19 ·
IIRC, if you disconnect the battery and leave it that way for a few minutes, it resets the 'learning' part of the ECU. Maybe try that and drive it like you stole it for a while....

BTW.... there is a particular sequence to disconnecting the battery that should be followed to reduce the possibility of damage to electronics. It is in the owners manual.
 
#21 ·
:crying:

One of the many reasons it's better to have a manual. ::grin::
 
#23 ·
All the HP in the world won't help against a lighter weight vehicle with similar specs. I know the 4.0 trumps my '01 Silverado 5.4 in both HP and lb/ft of torque and I regularly walk away from many V8's without a second thought.
 
#24 ·
Update. Booked the truck in for a check up and on my way there for the heck of it I tried another burnout. Switched the vdc off ( no effect really) started to spin then it just fell on its face with the slip light flashing like traction control kicked in. So obviously the ABLS is taking over and stopping the fun. Came to a stop let of the brake it started to roll so I punched it and got a chirp and the final test was pulling out of a stop sign to the right where it should have spun pretty good...but nothing other than the inside wheel chirping like it had the locker on and no power.

So I get to the dealer and the tech wants to go for a drive with me. So we go out and try a couple of hard starts from a stop sign and a few left and right turns and it falls on it's face everytime. He smiles and says i know what the problem is, I'm like thank god I thought for sure I was going to get a blank stare and him say it's not suppose to spin. So he tells me to turn down this road and theres a dead end with a wide area to do a u turn. He points to the loose sand on the pavement and says do the same thing there. I roll off the brake on the gas and this things leaves at 6 ft of rubber (2 to 3 onh the sandy part) and I start to laugh and say it's never done that before..he laughs and says now put one wheel in the dirt and on the pavement and try it again...smae thing it falls on its face and putters away.

He says he had the same issue with his frontier and said unless you catch it right it will just hook up on bare pavement. Even with the VDC off it's still trying to push power to the other wheel, so when I gas it from a stop it wants to spin the right wheel and the computer wants to send power to the other wheel to help fight the loss of traction so even tho the systems is somewhat off it's never really off until its in 4wd where you might need the wheel speed. So in short in 2wd the vdc is still cuttin power and still working the ABLS. But if both wheels loose traction at the same time it has no problem letting the truck do its things. Heck on the way home I hit a fire road and punched it and it had no problem kicking the back out for a sec until the VDC said thats far enough and rained it in with the brakes. He said his old frontier wasn't like that but the newer system is very responsive and I can vouch for it in the rocks I dare say it works as goos as A-TRAC in the toyotas I had a rock ledge to climb and 4lo without the locker and it started to spin the passengers side front and there was a groan from the ABS and the drivers side chirped and climber right up with no drama.

So now that I have it out my system I wont be doing anymore burnouts or drifts until the snow hits the ground. Thanks everyone for the input. I'll post some trail damage pics in another section.