thank you all, thanks for that informational link as i start teaching myself even before i actually get a new vehicle. i am in the process of getting a 2011 SV transferred to a closer seller within a selling network, its a stick + 2 doors a requirement for me! i like standard cabs best but like manual transmissions they get harder to find as years go bye. i might have bought new because of the warranty but lack of the manual shift killed that. the 2001 i am interested in has 28,000 on the clock + is priced above NADA, the seller will need to come down a bit IMO, time will tell