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Using something like an alpine powerpack (45rms) will blow the stock speakers?

What rating are the stock speakers and how hard are they to replace/ rewire to amp under seat?
 

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^^ I second that. Even inexpensive replacements will sound better.

If you are going to keep the stock speaks don't bother with adding more power to them.
 

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My 2 cents is i would put power to them. My boss had a JL8W3 and a JL 300 X 4 amp installed in his dually. Channel 1 and 2 for the stock door speakers and 3 and 4 bridged for the sub. What a difference it made in the sound. Made the stock speakers sound like good speakers. If you got the money put new speakers in also.
 

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The stock speakers are junk. Anyone that has ever removed one can attest to this. I have bigger refrigerator magnets then what is on these speakers. They are easy to replace and even an inexpensive set of aftermarket speakers will be worth it. Otherwise you are just going to make the bad sound louder.
 

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My 2 cents is i would put power to them. My boss had a JL8W3 and a JL 300 X 4 amp installed in his dually. Channel 1 and 2 for the stock door speakers and 3 and 4 bridged for the sub. What a difference it made in the sound. Made the stock speakers sound like good speakers. If you got the money put new speakers in also.
How does posting about an entirely different truck have any bearing on this question?

Definitely do NOT amp your stockers unless you want to blow them. They are not made to take anything more than the output of the OEM deck. I can't even count the number of times that people have put aftermarket decks in their vehicles, rode around blasting their music with 'Superbass' selected as the EQ setting and then complained a day later that their speakers 'sound funny'.
 

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The stock speakers are junk. Anyone that has ever removed one can attest to this. I have bigger refrigerator magnets then what is on these speakers. They are easy to replace and even an inexpensive set of aftermarket speakers will be worth it. Otherwise you are just going to make the bad sound louder.
x2 . . lol @ fridge magnets bigdog.

These guys are right, you'll eventually blow the speakers if you add an amp.
The stock speakers belong in an AM radio, they are crap.
 

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i put in an Avic Z2, wired the stockers up. i dont blare the music, occasionally ona good song. they were shot in less than a year. proof positive they are junk
 

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Are the speakers in the stock stereo system the same in the RF system?
 

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no but they aren't much better in consturction (read: in theory). they are amplified from the factory tho
 

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In case what everyone else has said was not clear enough...

NEVER AMP STOCK SPEAKERS

Just don't do it.... ever. Whether they're made of paper or the newer ones made of plastic, they can't handle more than like 10-12 watts.

Side note, magnets on stock Toyota speakers nowadays are ridiculously small. Around the size of a half dollar and about a half inch thick haha.
 

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another thing to consider is the alpine power pack only works with alpine decks and since you are running a kenwood it wouldnt work anyways.
 

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I was considering an alpine and powerpack, but experts have told me that a 4 volt output kenwood coupled with a quality amp and quality speakers (amp matching the speakers' RMS as close as possible) will give the best possible sound without going overboard and spending a fortune.

An alpine HU, powerpack, and lower quality speakers (50ish RMS) will sound great, but getting a 4 volt kenwood HU, dedicated 60-100RMS amp (high quality wire), and mid grade 1-100RMS speakers (high quality wire) will sound many times better.

In addition, if you're going to replace stock speakers, you really should replace stock wire, so you might as well get a dedicated amp.
 

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I was considering an alpine and powerpack, but experts have told me that a 4 volt output kenwood coupled with a quality amp and quality speakers (amp matching the speakers' RMS as close as possible) will give the best possible sound without going overboard and spending a fortune.
thats true of matching any HU, amp, and speakers. i has nothing to do with the voltage.
An alpine HU, powerpack, and lower quality speakers (50ish RMS) will sound great, but getting a 4 volt kenwood HU, dedicated 60-100RMS amp (high quality wire), and mid grade 1-100RMS speakers (high quality wire) will sound many times better. i promise you that i could hook up an alpine system with there power pack and a kenwood system with a 45 or 50 w amp with the same speakers and you couldnt tell the difference.

In addition, if you're going to replace stock speakers, you really should replace stock wire, so you might as well get a dedicated amp.
not really. you can easily run 50w through the factory speaker wire. go higher than that and its time to run larger/better wire.
my thoughts in red.
 

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Mylt1, the factory wires are easily good for 75 watts+.
I'm running 75 a channel on the factory harness for almost two years now with zero issues.
My guess is 100 watts would be about the limit on the stock wiring.
Besides if you are going to put a system in with 100+ watts a channel (a serious, possibly competition system) why wouldn't you just upgrade the wires while you were at it?
 

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I put 60 watts to one of the rear speakers, it ripped and then caught on fire. They are worthless. Pretty cool show if you don't want the speakers, bad if you do.
 

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just curious, are these experts trying to sell you something?

dont get too caught up in details. ill bet you a dollar you cant hear the difference between a 2v output and a 4v sound quality wise.
my thoughts exactly.
 

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I was told this via multiple sources and a lot of research (bored at work).

A 4 volt pre-amp HU will put more power to the amp and eliminate practically all of the noise. 4v is enough to do this and almost all high-end HU will go with 4v and not higher or lower. The end results cleaner sound. This is noticeable when amping a system and listening between tracks...it should be dead silent... without any hum.

Amping a HU requires a high quality amp and high quality wiring. Poor quality wire or amps lead to more noise sounds. This is sometimes more or less noticeably.

You want speakers made out of high quality materials for better sound and high quality wiring for no noise (ie, noise-free wiring).

Lastly, you want an amp that will have same or as close as possible to the RMS of your high quality speakers. If you, for example, get 100 RMS speakers and only a 60 RMS amp, the amp will only power the speakers 60% of what they can do, leading to lost power and the speakers will not create the best sound AND DEGRADE FASTER.

60w RMS amp + 60w RMS speakers > 60w RMS amp + 100w RMS speakers

high quality (good material) always > low quality anything


An Alpine powerpack will sound amplified, but it will have A LOT of noise that is noticeable.


In the end, it only matters what you are okay with listening to. For most people, the stock setup is good enough and they never even think about changing it.



About amping stock speakers.... any expert will say don't do it because it will blow the speakers.
 
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