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Just saw where Nissan is giving it an all new motor and transmission.

makes me want to trade my 2018, almost. Only 10% more fuel mileage though, kind of sad.
 

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Not me, I have no interest in these high gear count auto transmissions. Fuel efficiency through limited rev range. Unnecessary complexity, just look to the Ford/GM cooperative 10-speed and all the issues it's had.

Sure, I'd like better fuel efficiency, but not at the expense of durability and usefulness. Aerodynamics and lighter weight materials (where it does not sacrifice structural integrity) would certainly contribute to improved fuel mileage.
 

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A writer on the web wrote that Nissan is getting rid of the King Cab in the new Frontier. Only Crew Cab. This makes a 6' bed version too long for practicality. I hope this rumor is false.

The manual transmission is an endangered creature. I can see Nissan only offering the 8 speed auto for all new 3.8 L Frontiers. At least they had the smarts not to put a CVT into a truck.

We also know we cannot buy the first model year as they are still debugging the design. So late November 2021 is the first practical time to buy.
 

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No way. Not buying until they have worked the bugs out for at least 3-4 years. All to gain maybe 2mph on paper. Been seeing reports the Ranger isn’t getting much better economy than we are. With the price difference my new dependable proven 2019 will be cheaper in the long run. I bought now just to get a 2nd gen while I can. It’s why I bought a manual transmission Focus, a Prius get ls better mileage, but cost 10k more. Never make up the difference in mpg, and cvt’s suck.
They gave me 7k off sticker on my SV, lets see if they discount the new drivetrain. And same torque. Torque rules, horsepower fools.
 

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so much more than just lower rpm's. Many think having lower rpms mean less fuel used, but thats not it, not in general.

I had an old VW that screamed at 4k rpms and almost redlined, yet got 40mpg.
They put an entire new engine into this new frontier with 4 more gears and 10% is all they claim improvement ? haha which means in reality probably closer to 5%. There have been a few GM products that went to the 10 speed with zero improvement and I think 1 actually got worse.

As for the Frontiers 9 speed, I just want to know what the crawl ratio is now, thats probably a gigantic improvement
 

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No way. Not buying until they have worked the bugs out for at least 3-4 years. All to gain maybe 2mph on paper. Been seeing reports the Ranger isn’t getting much better economy than we are. With the price difference my new dependable proven 2019 will be cheaper in the long run. I bought now just to get a 2nd gen while I can. It’s why I bought a manual transmission Focus, a Prius get ls better mileage, but cost 10k more. Never make up the difference in mpg, and cvt’s suck.
They gave me 7k off sticker on my SV, lets see if they discount the new drivetrain. And same torque. Torque rules, horsepower fools.
pretty much true. put a 4cyl in a truck and MPG doesn't change much,

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I tow a lot, and carry heavy loads over long grades. The extra gears would help keep the truck in the powerband.

As it is now, I’m either doing 4500rpm to hold 55-60 MPH, or 3000rpm and slowing. If I leave it in drive, the trans will hunt for the right gear. Speeding up and then slowing back down.


I don’t know about the rest of the truck but I’d love more gears.


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Someone mentioned they are interested in buying the 2020 - I would wait a year when 2021 MY is out, that way you get some good incentives on the 2020 as it too will be "outdated" at that point (old body style, with 3.8l).

Although the MPG isn't much greater, it's still inline with all similar trucks in this class (and that's with the current body style). Something I haven't read others mention is that hopefully the 2021 truck will be a little lighter (as compared to current model with cement filled hood and tailgate), which might help increase the fuel economy a little more.
 
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I don't like how it went to push button start only, I prefer the old fashioned key so I can still get into the vehicle and start it even if the fob is dead. Plus the placement in front of the gear shift looks goofy to me, obviously an afterthought. Why couldn't the push button be in the same place as the old keyhole?

One nice thing to know is that the new models frame should be either the same or very similar to the current model since it'll be running the same transmission and engine. 2020 sounds like a year to completely avoid since this to me looks like a test mule year to get the bugs out of the engine and transmission.

The mileage though should be pretty decent, its supposed to be 10% more than what the 4 cylinder got, so 20-21 City/24-25 Hwy, which for a truck is pretty good, assuming that's what it'll be rated at.

Also why did this get moved to the 3rd Gen Discussion? It's still a 2nd Gen just has a new motor and transmission...
 

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I don't like how it went to push button start only, I prefer the old fashioned key so I can still get into the vehicle and start it even if the fob is dead. Plus the placement in front of the gear shift looks goofy to me, obviously an afterthought. Why couldn't the push button be in the same place as the old keyhole?

One nice thing to know is that the new models frame should be either the same or very similar to the current model since it'll be running the same transmission and engine. 2020 sounds like a year to completely avoid since this to me looks like a test mule year to get the bugs out of the engine and transmission.

The mileage though should be pretty decent, its supposed to be 10% more than what the 4 cylinder got, so 20-21 City/24-25 Hwy, which for a truck is pretty good, assuming that's what it'll be rated at.

Also why did this get moved to the 3rd Gen Discussion? It's still a 2nd Gen just has a new motor and transmission...
How often over the life of your vehicle does the fob go dead?
being able to walk up to your vehicle, Fob in your pocket, grab the door handle, the door unlocks, you get in, put your foot on the brake and then press the button. How is this not the best way ever?
 

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Push button start is just a huge invitation for thieves. Bye bye to reasonable insurance rates.
 

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I am probably not going to buy one but I like that they are putting the new motor and transmission out in the current body style. I am happy with the current truck but would like better gas mileage. If they were smart they would just keep doing this for a few more years as they could keep the price lower than the competition.
 

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I just read in an article that power locks an windows are gonna be standard. The 3.8 is gonna be the sole engine option getting rid of the 2.5 4 banger and the 5 speed stick along with the engine. King and crews still available no word on long bed option. Also no word on 6 speed stick option. The new 3.8 will be available in the 2020 frontier this coming spring which is still the same 2nd generation body that's been around for a good while THEN they'll move to the next generation. I lost the article I just got done reading. That 3800cc engine will put out supposedly 310 horses and 281foot pounds of torque.
 

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I am probably not going to buy one but I like that they are putting the new motor and transmission out in the current body style. I am happy with the current truck but would like better gas mileage. If they were smart they would just keep doing this for a few more years as they could keep the price lower than the competition.
for all you know, the new motor/trans will be 5k+

Not worth it then.
 

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for all you know, the new motor/trans will be 5k+

Not worth it then.
I know I couldn't afford it haha! Just bought a 2018 fronty 6 speed 4x4 SV crew cab back in december 2018. Love the damn thing! I hope they mate a 6 speed stick to the new 3.8
 
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