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latest issue of Sport Truck has an article where they swapped all the fluids out for Roysl Blue (Oil, differential, transmission, etc.) then dyno'ed and show a solid 10hp increase in performance. I am surprised.

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Yea, and how much does Royal Blue contribute to Sport Truck's advertising budget? That sounds a bit extreme to me! If the average CAI that a manufacturer claims adds 10-15 HP actually only adds 5-7 HP, than I find it hard to believe an oil change will add 10 HP! That's got to be some pretty amazing stuff! :wink:
 

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I really dont find it all that hard to believe...

if you look at hydrodynamics (the way liquid flows) replacing a luquid with a less viscus liquid will lower resistance (but may up friction),

but this is more an issue of oil weights than being synthetic or not...

and in extreme conditions this may cause more harm than good....

I.E. really hot or cold, really hot oil will become too light and fail to lubricate properly, thus causing engine dammage.... really cold if the oil is too thick, it wont flow, and dammage will follow...

but I believe this 10 hp increase will be at the expense of some engine/driveline part.
 

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I won't believe that until I see a dyno chart. 10 horsepower is a noticable difference and I would say there is no way you will get 10 HP from just using a synthetic oil, maybe 1 or 2 HP maximum, if any!
 

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Just remember, Magazines and dynos, like politicians, can be influenced to say what ever the highest bidder wants them to!

I need more facts... Was this an independent article or a paid advertisement? Who performed the dyno? Who paid for the dyno?

Like any business, they are in it to make money! You can normally tell which car company is going to come out on top of a review by the number of paid advertisements in the magazine!

Now-a-days, jouralistic integrity is a lost art... :wink:
 

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You got that right! Last time I read Motor Trend it was so GM-biased that it made me sick. I haven't picked up the magazine since. I don't believe the claims of companies trying to sell a performance product either. Without naming names, a certain website selling the Gibson exhaust claims "The Swept Side is dyno-tested for average gains of 15-20 horsepower." However, a Frontier owner independently tested the exhaust and came up with gains of 5.7 HP/5.7 TQ. His website is here: http://www.jackphelps.com/frontier/dyno3.htm These days, I only believe data obtained by non-biased owners or third parties.
 

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Well, pick up and flip through the latest Sport Truck issue. They have multipel pictures of all of there swap out. And it's NOT just the OIL in the crank case (?), they did the transmission fluids, etc. AND they dyno'ed it... They also have a sidebar asking why some ppl seem to be anti-synthetics, and the answer was they used to have problems, and the (synthetic) industry hasn't overcome yet the PERCEPTION those early problems caused even though today's stuff is great (obviously, I am paraphrasing).

I am just wondering if any of you have done this.

Of course, with forums it's hard to tell too, theres been a lot of PRESS lately on advertising marketing companies hiring people to "get known" in forums to then plug product. Apparently, it's now now SOP for a lot of product that has huge Net followings. (Cars, omputer equipment, etc)
 

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Were they advocating any particular brand, or just synthetics in general? If they're reporting on the benefits of synthetic oil rather than plugging a certain company, then I'd probably believe the results.
 

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Were they advocating any particular brand, or just synthetics in general? If they're reporting on the benefits of synthetic oil rather than plugging a certain company, then I'd probably believe the results.
Well, they were using something called Royal Blue, but I really didn't feel they were plugging the product so much as synthetics being that good in general.
 

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Binford said:
Of course, with forums it's hard to tell too, theres been a lot of PRESS lately on advertising marketing companies hiring people to "get known" in forums to then plug product. Apparently, it's now now SOP for a lot of product that has huge Net followings. (Cars, omputer equipment, etc)
I want this job XD
 

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Nah...

If I could do it from home... I would do it...

but as for posting about things I like on a forum... all happy about it...
 

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I change my own oil, but I've never done transmissions or differentials. Any idea what the total cost on this would be? If you replace the trans and diff fluids with synthetics, then you never have to do it again, right? I'd be interested if someone gave me a quick how-to. I don't have access to a dyno, though. I did have the transmission fluid in my old car changed to synthetic, and it really smoothed out the shifting. It was worth the money for that benefit alone, although my Frontier shifts much better than that car anyway.
 

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I wouldnt say that you never have to do it again......it just changes your normal intervals. Like when Im due my first oil change in about 600 miles, I am switching to AMSOIL Pure Synthetic. It was $60 for oil and filter, but its guaranteed for 25,000 miles. Personally Im not gonna go that long on the first one......maybe 15,000 then cut the filter open to have a look inside my engine. And if all is well, I will go 25,000 the next time.

Synthetic lubricants are signigicantly more expensive, but they offer FAR BETTER wear protection on your critical engine and transmission parts. Any time you reduce friction and wear, you are opening that engine up to more power. If you change oil, transmission and rear end fluid to FULLY Synthetic, I wouldnt be at all suprised to see horsepower gains. Less Friction = MORE POWER.

One thing to note also. Oils have been altered significantly in recent years. Used to, oil companies put Zinc Additives in their oil to act as a high pressure lubricant. But the government has stepped in recently and forced oil companies to cut back on Zinc. With this cut back, using conventional oils arent as good for your vehicle as they used to be. This can be very noticeable on engines with flat tappet cams and lifters. Many times they are damaged in the break in process simply because of the oil. However, fully synthetic oils such as AMSOIL are exempt from the above government standard because they are rated for higher mileages. I forgot the exact mileage amount, but if it is rated for a certain mileage, companies are still allowed to use the Zinc additives for wear protection. Another oil that is exempt would be Diesel oil, such as Shell Rotella. That is why synthetics such as AMSOIL are rated for gasoline or diesel engines.

I hope this all makes sense. If any of you are interested here is the website that I purchase my AMSOIL products from
www.lubedealer.com/lkn
 

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Royal Bue? How about Royal Purple. Last year Horsepower TV changed all the fluids in a 02 Camaro SS (I think), that's all they did. The dyno showed a 11hp increase. Not to shabby.
 

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I change to Mobil1 syn. right after breakin 1400 miles, I didnt see any changes in performance, the Airaid CAI made a difference I could tell, especially above 3500RPM. I feel much better having good oil in my ride, if it increases horsepower thats just another reason to switch to Syn. Oil..
 

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I seem to recall that synthetics provide a 1-2% increase in power. If you put it in the engine, trans, and diff, that would be between 8 and 15 hp. So those findings don't surprise me.
 

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I got a '06 crew cab se with about 400 miles on it so far. I was thinking of switching to synthetic oil. Some say to switch after break in and some did it earlier. I drive my truck about 5 miles round trip to work and back home. When should you change to synthetic oil? Also is is bad to switch back to dino oil later on?
 

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pukas84 said:
I got a '06 crew cab se with about 400 miles on it so far. I was thinking of switching to synthetic oil. Some say to switch after break in and some did it earlier. I drive my truck about 5 miles round trip to work and back home. When should you change to synthetic oil? Also is is bad to switch back to dino oil later on?
My feeling is to change to synthetics after two oil changes.
 
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