I find it amusing that Will believes he is the injured party. His customers have seen devastating damage to installed gaskets. Naturally, they turn to WRP for guidance and a means to make them whole. Rather than a proactive approach, Will has chosen to blame the customer. Quite naturally, this p*ss-off group continues to press their issue which is perceived as saying the same thing over and over. Consider this: if you do not feed a baby, does it not continue to cry for nourishment? Is it reasonable to expect this baby to “get the message” and stop crying? No, until Will’s customer base is satisfied, this endless thread will continue. Unless of course, the business principles as exemplified by the flying of the Jolly Roger are invoked and Will just tells everyone to f**k off but keep buying.
Technically, torquing to 8 lb-in is very low. Is this limitation based on the gasket or the plastic plenum for which the gasket is designed for? How come the damage is not seen in the original plenum gaskets installed in conjuction with the new gaskets? Both sets of gaskets see the overtorquing. Will has no evidence that over-torquing is the root cause. I will provide a big hint: If too much torque is the issue, install an IMS with too much torque and run it for a while. See what happens. To be fully compliant with the rules of science, a control also needs to be installed and observed concurrently. But this is asking too much for a company that believes science only interferes with sales.
agreed 100%--just like my op states. only time will tell to see if more from gb 3 come up with the problem.
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Originally Posted by wperdigon
this is the thing that i don't understand about this situation and why threads keep coming up about it -
a) we don't think it was a bad batch of gaskets, while it may have happened - i don't think thats the case considering when i order gaskets they come from all over the country. i will order 50 sets at a time, and yet we will get 10 from cali, 10 from new york, 13 from lousiana, etc - this makes me speculate that it's the not the concern of bad gaskets
b) i spoke with the manufactures us base yesterday regarding this issue, and they informed me that the gaskets are designed for certain lateral pressures and if under excessive pressures they will sheer apart. this may be a result of over tq'ing on top of them, since the tq is only 8lbs required...
c) can we please move this thread or close it as it's really just pointless to keep an on going thread with people speculating about it. it doesn't do anyone any good when people are just signing on, shooting off their mouths, and then having a whole bunch of other people just mimicing what that person said because it sounded like the right thing...seems like i'm really the only one here doing any legwork to find out why they failed, and others are just shooting from the hip online influencing other people that really don't know either way....
d) toyniss, do you have the component? did you buy it from me?
yes i have it and yes i bought it from you. no im not using the gaskets it came with, and im sure ill probably just have to buy new ones myself so i can install this thing soon. cause im tired of ****ing looking at it!
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Wow, still NO resolution for the few members with the shredded gaskets? I thought for sure that WRP would have replaced the gaskets for them by now....
I was seriously considering purchasing one of these... I think I will hold off and see what becomes of this.
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I find it amusing that Will believes he is the injured party. His customers have seen devastating damage to installed gaskets. Naturally, they turn to WRP for guidance and a means to make them whole. Rather than a proactive approach, Will has chosen to blame the customer. Quite naturally, this p*ss-off group continues to press their issue which is perceived as saying the same thing over and over. Consider this: if you do not feed a baby, does it not continue to cry for nourishment? Is it reasonable to expect this baby to “get the message” and stop crying? No, until Will’s customer base is satisfied, this endless thread will continue. Unless of course, the business principles as exemplified by the flying of the Jolly Roger are invoked and Will just tells everyone to f**k off but keep buying.
Technically, torquing to 8 lb-in is very low. Is this limitation based on the gasket or the plastic plenum for which the gasket is designed for? How come the damage is not seen in the original plenum gaskets installed in conjuction with the new gaskets? Both sets of gaskets see the overtorquing. Will has no evidence that over-torquing is the root cause. I will provide a big hint: If too much torque is the issue, install an IMS with too much torque and run it for a while. See what happens. To be fully compliant with the rules of science, a control also needs to be installed and observed concurrently. But this is asking too much for a company that believes science only interferes with sales.
i know i torqued my plenum to way more than 8lbs-in because i didn't know the correct number and just inspected my IMS recently and discovered no flaws in the gaskets at all. i've had it installed for about 2k miles now and have had no problems and huge performance gains.
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Originally Posted by sandiegan05fronty
Wow, still NO resolution for the few members with the shredded gaskets? I thought for sure that WRP would have replaced the gaskets for them by now....
until a "batch of bad gaskets", sent from all over the country none the less, is the actual problem then no one has the right to ask Will for new gaskets
agreed 100%--just like my op states. only time will tell to see if more from gb 3 come up with the problem.
yes i have it and yes i bought it from you. no im not using the gaskets it came with, and im sure ill probably just have to buy new ones myself so i can install this thing soon. cause im tired of ****ing looking at it!
THEN WHAT YOU DO IS GO BUY NEW ONES FROM NISSAN, AND THEN GO BACK THE NEXT DAY RETURN THE ONES YOU GOT WITH THE IMS AND TELL THEM YOU DIDNT NEED THEM AFTER ALL AND RETURN THEM. OOPS CAN I SAY THAT ONLINE......I JUST DIDOR BETTER YET ASK FOR 3 PACKS TO MAKE SURE THE ONES YOU HAVE ARE CORRECT AND THEN DO THE OL' BEAN UNDER WHICH OF THE 3 CUPS ROUTINE AND GIVE THEM BACK THE ONES YOU HAVE..
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THEN WHAT YOU DO IS GO BUY NEW ONES FROM NISSAN, AND THEN GO BACK THE NEXT DAY RETURN THE ONES YOU GOT WITH THE IMS AND TELL THEM YOU DIDNT NEED THEM AFTER ALL AND RETURN THEM. OOPS CAN I SAY THAT ONLINE......I JUST DID
Wow, still NO resolution for the few members with the shredded gaskets? I thought for sure that WRP would have replaced the gaskets for them by now....
Nope. I PM'd him and he stated he is not going to replace them, at least at this time. He says he is checking on it and crys that he is a small company and can't go around sending out new sets of gaskets. IMO, there are 4 or so complaints which equal 240.00 for gaskets. He has had 3 group buys on the IMS alone. One group buy of 35 people equals 8050.00 dollars. HE has had GB's of the crank pulley, power steering pulley and a grounding kit. You do the math. I'm sure he is doing it more for the fact that he doesn't want to admit that there was a fault with his product. Making it the customers fault.
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CALMINI sucks! 
OR BETTER YET ASK FOR 3 PACKS TO MAKE SURE THE ONES YOU HAVE ARE CORRECT AND THEN DO THE OL' BEAN UNDER WHICH OF THE 3 CUPS ROUTINE AND GIVE THEM BACK THE ONES YOU HAVE..
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