by now its only logical and obvious that the issue with ims and gaskets-----
4 people now-is most likely due to batch of bad gaskets. with not one person-at least 2 or 3-from previous gb with any issue. all 4 people with issues from gb 3, leading to believe its very unlikely that there is a variance in the install that would cause this. after 50+ people and into the 3rd gb, im almost certain there is no difference in the way its being installed to be the cause of this gasket failure nor is it even the sharp edges of the ims. and its also obvious that heat is not the issue here after oven tests, thanks to some members.
as i said before, for those who disbelieve-from gb 3-i wouldnt be so certain that you dont have the issue just because you dont have any symptoms/vacuum leak. your not going to know until its removed considering im pretty sure not one of the 4 had any symptomatic issues with their vehicle due to the gasket failure. no need to mention their sn's because we know who they are. and im sure more will arise.
i for one wouldnt feel comfortable not know if my gaskets are shot and my motor is ingesting that gasket material. although the motor is prob like a meat grinder to that stuff and may not even matter, but i wouldnt want to chance it and it seems others dont want to either since they took the time to check.
my solution now is to chamfer the edges-although i dont think thats the problem since its a bad batch of gaskets thats the problem-and order new gaskets from nissan and then install. and not worry really about tq lbs and sequence-although i am going to follow the specs-because i dont think that install variance is an issue either.
and i understand agtitan's wishes on topics discussing the subject to be only to that area or thread but what happened to the purpose of this forum to be able to openly discuss things regarding our trucks and sharing words with the rest?
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I've un-deleted the threads that Will deleted. I merged most of them into one thread, but I kept the original thread "IMS Gaskets WTF? FUBAR" by UpFront intact. This was the very first post of any issues of the intake manifold spacer. The additional threads have been merged into one thread entitled "The WRP IMS Gasket Thread". Both threads are locked, and for informational purposes only. IMS Gaskets WTF? FUBAR The WRP IMS Gasket Thread
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and i understand agtitan's wishes on topics discussing the subject to be only to that area or thread but what happened to the purpose of this forum to be able to openly discuss things regarding our trucks and sharing words with the rest?
This was due to the fact that everyone and their brother was taking stabs at Will and his company. I wanted to have one repository for quality, useful posts to help determine the cause of failure. Obviously now since Will has locked that thread, there is no way to post about the issue. There is nothing against site rules that says you can not question a vendor about its claims on the product. After all, this is a discussion forum! All we ask is you talk about the issue in a civil manner and do not jump to conclusions, bash, and what not. Civil threads relating to vendors products will be allowed in other sections of the forum. Posts that are deemed to be of an insulting nature will be deleted by ClubFrontier staff. Threads and posts in individual vendor sub-forums can be moderated by the vendor, but threads and posts in other areas of ClubFrontier relating to a particular vendor will be allowed, to the extent they do not violate any CT rules.
this is the thing that i don't understand about this situation and why threads keep coming up about it -
a) we don't think it was a bad batch of gaskets, while it may have happened - i don't think thats the case considering when i order gaskets they come from all over the country. i will order 50 sets at a time, and yet we will get 10 from cali, 10 from new york, 13 from lousiana, etc - this makes me speculate that it's the not the concern of bad gaskets
b) i spoke with the manufactures us base yesterday regarding this issue, and they informed me that the gaskets are designed for certain lateral pressures and if under excessive pressures they will sheer apart. this may be a result of over tq'ing on top of them, since the tq is only 8lbs required...
c) can we please move this thread or close it as it's really just pointless to keep an on going thread with people speculating about it. it doesn't do anyone any good when people are just signing on, shooting off their mouths, and then having a whole bunch of other people just mimicing what that person said because it sounded like the right thing...seems like i'm really the only one here doing any legwork to find out why they failed, and others are just shooting from the hip online influencing other people that really don't know either way....
d) toyniss, do you have the component? did you buy it from me?
I find it amusing that Will believes he is the injured party. His customers have seen devastating damage to installed gaskets. Naturally, they turn to WRP for guidance and a means to make them whole. Rather than a proactive approach, Will has chosen to blame the customer. Quite naturally, this p*ss-off group continues to press their issue which is perceived as saying the same thing over and over. Consider this: if you do not feed a baby, does it not continue to cry for nourishment? Is it reasonable to expect this baby to “get the message” and stop crying? No, until Will’s customer base is satisfied, this endless thread will continue. Unless of course, the business principles as exemplified by the flying of the Jolly Roger are invoked and Will just tells everyone to f**k off but keep buying.
Technically, torquing to 8 lb-in is very low. Is this limitation based on the gasket or the plastic plenum for which the gasket is designed for? How come the damage is not seen in the original plenum gaskets installed in conjuction with the new gaskets? Both sets of gaskets see the overtorquing. Will has no evidence that over-torquing is the root cause. I will provide a big hint: If too much torque is the issue, install an IMS with too much torque and run it for a while. See what happens. To be fully compliant with the rules of science, a control also needs to be installed and observed concurrently. But this is asking too much for a company that believes science only interferes with sales.
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So will, you don't think it's the gaskets themselves because they come from all over the place? WTF. That seems like it even more so points toward a possible bad batch to me. Also I was thinking the same thing CT_Nismo said... if over torquing is the cause, why are the gaskets in the plenum still intact and undamaged? Like I said Will, I purchased a performance part from you and installed it correctly. The gaskets you sent me for that part FAILED. I think you should just send me some new gaskets already.
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