kind of hard to know what "overtight" is when there were no torque specs included in the the directions..............
x2.....................i hate the fact that several on here and now will states the word "torque" and there were never any mention of torque specs in the intructions.............................
not to mention looks like i may have a useless paper weight that will tells me i have to keep changing the gaskets because the edges are too sharp. when i think if its determined that the edges are too sharp then we all should get a new/ improved products.
You are getting sucked into the black hole of "its my fault."
No matter how sharp the IMS gasket groove is. No matter how much torque you applied in installing the IMS. No matter if you did not alternate the torquing of the bolts on the IMS. No matter if you used a torque wrench or not. No matter anything....
You cannot do anything wrong to cause the gasket to melt.
You are getting sucked into the black hole of "its my fault."
No matter how sharp the IMS gasket groove is. No matter how much torque you applied in installing the IMS. No matter if you did not alternate the torquing of the bolts on the IMS. No matter if you used a torque wrench or not. No matter anything....
You cannot do anything wrong to cause the gasket to melt.
That's because the alternative is too scary for them to think, never mind mention...
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You are getting sucked into the black hole of "its my fault."
No matter how sharp the IMS gasket groove is. No matter how much torque you applied in installing the IMS. No matter if you did not alternate the torquing of the bolts on the IMS. No matter if you used a torque wrench or not. No matter anything....
You cannot do anything wrong to cause the gasket to melt.
indeed. i have not taken mine off, but judging from the pics.........i dont care who says what....those gaskets have more damage to them than what crushing them or what a sharp edge can do to them.
I know what happened now... I remember I was filling the blinker fluid and spilled some on the gaskets, and then mounted them too close to the muffler bearing. And I may have used a left handed wrench by mistake.
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Who cares what the gaskets look like as long as there is no vacuum leak there should be no problem. Nobody -- even those with the allegedly bad gaskets -- have reported symptoms of a leak such as rough idle, etc.
Honestly, you guys are working your selves into a froth over this.
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I torqued mine to specs in the correct 2 step pattern just like the FSM calls for, and I can see a little bit of red gasket peeking out from under the IMS, meaning they are definitely crushed, so its not an over torquing issue.
That's because the alternative is too scary for them to think, never mind mention...
you sure you know what your talking about????????????
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Originally Posted by shift_this
indeed. i have not taken mine off, but judging from the pics.........i dont care who says what....those gaskets have more damage to them than what crushing them or what a sharp edge can do to them.
yeah unfortunately i think the damage upfront has seen is due to heat---------nothing else proving otherwise. i just wish someone else would take theirs off to check!!!!!!! that gasket breakdown cant be good going into the motor!
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Originally Posted by UpFront
I know what happened now... I remember I was filling the blinker fluid and spilled some on the gaskets, and then mounted them too close to the muffler bearing. And I may have used a left handed wrench by mistake.
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Originally Posted by 2WD_NISMO
Who cares what the gaskets look like as long as there is no vacuum leak there should be no problem. Nobody -- even those with the allegedly bad gaskets -- have reported symptoms of a leak such as rough idle, etc.
Honestly, you guys are working your selves into a froth over this.
i beg to differ.....................who cares what the gaskets look like? you should and everyone else who has one one should because pieces of gasket like that being ingested into the motor cant be good for it!
i think everyone who has one on should be concerned over this issue.
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Originally Posted by stevet47
I torqued mine to specs in the correct 2 step pattern just like the FSM calls for, and I can see a little bit of red gasket peeking out from under the IMS, meaning they are definitely crushed, so its not an over torquing issue.
what would that be???? sorry for the dumb question. but not sure what you mean.
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Originally Posted by wperdigon
in the future to help prevent this, we will chamfer the edges to alleviate some of the sheering that is occuring against the gaskets - the good thing here is that people are still able to replace the gaskets, it's not like they are unavailable to people like they would be in other applications.
now the solution for those who feel that they do not want to use the gasket's we supplied, silicone will resolve all of this as it's a gasket maker and will work just fine for this
we shouldnt have to be replacing the gaskets at all! and if you say the edges shouldnt have to be chamfered then that would lead to the problem of heat being the most likely cause of the gasket breakdown.
and as stevet47's post above-its highly unlikely its an overtorquing issue.
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I find it very disheartening when a company does not stand behind a product they produce. I was so stoked to see all of the great products that WRP had to offer for our trucks. I figured my TBS was only a stepping stone to other products I would eventually purchase. However, after seeing the "aw shucks" attitude in response to this gasket(s) scenario, I cant see myself making another purchase.
If "over tightening" was even a possibility, torque specs should have been included in the install directions. Ive broken enough bolts and stripped enough screws in my day to understand that there IS such a thing as "over tightening"; however, I am confident that this is not to blame for the deterioration of my TBS gasket. I mean hell, there is only so much torque you can generate using a tiny allen key! Its not like i took a cheater bar, slipped it over the allen wrench and jerked on the SOB until I was satisfied. I tightened the bolts to what I considered a reasonable amount and called it a day.
"now the solution for those who feel that they do not want to use the gasket's we supplied, silicone will resolve all of this as it's a gasket maker and will work just fine for this" -WRP
To me, this statement is like when someone tells an athlete who just tore his ACL to just "walk it off"....I don't want to slap a band-aid on my TBS and hope for the best...I want to it to work properly with a true gasket; the way it was intended to.
In the end, I don't blame WRP for the gasket problems, this type of sh*t happens, I suppose. I just wish someone would step up and say, "OOPS, sorry guys. We didn't consider 'sharp edges' or 'heat' or 'over tightening' to be a big enough issue to incorporate into our design or at least include some type of disclaimer with our product(s)"
That's just my opinion and I apologize for such a lengthy post...I appreciate anyone who read all the way through my rant but I just had to get that out of my system...lol...You can agree or disagree with me but I'm through posting on this thread.
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