You would get more suspension travel out of a properly set up Titan swap than you would from a Frontier coilover/UCA setup. You can also go a little bit taller with the Titan swap without killing your CV's. Having said that, the coilover/UCA setup is fine for most people.
For the Titan swap, PRG UCA's are recommended. Junkyard LCA's are fine.
You can either: A) Get the extended shafts from PRG and use them on your stock R180, or B) Get a Titan M205 and Titan shafts.
Extended coilovers are needed to get the most suspension travel from the swap.
What really is the difference between prg ucas and stock titan ucas?
__________________
07 frontier: titan swapped, bilstein 5100's, cooper atps, hids, kicker sub and speakers, k&n cai, bullydog gt
It depends what you are looking for. If you HAVE to have a 3" lift and want some travel to go with it, then titan-swap. Yes factory UCA/LCA will work, and yes you can keep your front diff and use the longer axles.
If you can live with a solid 2" lift then get some extended Radflos and aftermarket UCA's to go with them, but you may want to contact Greg at PRG to find out just how much more droop his UCA gives you before you make up your mind (I'd love to know those numbers too). My opinion on this is that for the price of those parts, you are well on your way to a swap and if there is any doubt that you wouldn't be happy, then you might as well keep saving for the real deal. Of course, if the aftermarket UCA's allow a significant amount of extra droop, and remain safe for the CV axles, then it sure would be a nice middle-ground. PRG states for their UCA's:
"The arms are designed to allow the maximum droop possible with absolutely no harm to your CV joints or ball joints or CV boots."
That's good to know, but it would be even better to know just how much more droop than a stock UCA that happens to be, especially for those shopping around and considering their options for off-road performance. I emailed Greg at PRG awhile ago asking for that information but never got a response, and I'm hesitant to call and bug him just to ask questions without intent to buy.
...Or you can just stick with your spacers. It's up to you and what you want to justify spending on your suspension.
As far as travel goes. Think about it this way: With stock UCA's you wont get any more droop than that of a stock truck, even if you are lifted 3". You are just trading down-travel for lift. The more lift, the less down travel. I would be happy as can be if we could slap on a budget 2.5" lift and gain that much more droop as well so that we would atleast have the down travel of a stock truck, but nope...we have to t-swap for that.
__________________ 2012 Pro-4x CC
Mods: Bilstein 5100/OME coils, Shackles/Bilstein 5125, Hefty Sliders, BFG 255/85r16 KM2's, Tinted windows, LEDs (interior, cargo, backup), Amsoil Ea filter
Pipe Dream: Custom bumpers, Calmini/Titan swap with full length coilovers, Alcan rear springs
Last edited by 05Fronty4x; 12-05-2012 at 12:26 AM.
The Following User Says Thank You to 05Fronty4x For This Useful Post:
I think this really is key. A person like myself who seldom sees anything but highway, beach, and dirt roads, doesn't mind a 2.5in spacer with some bump stops.
I've had to come to terms with the fact that my truck IS my daily driver and I don't have the funds nor the need to do anything extreme to it.
Yet.
__________________ 2010 P4X CC: 2.5in/2in Lift (ADF&PRG), SPC UCA's, Xoskel Bumper Mouth Bracket w/ 4 Rigid Industries Duallys, Superchips Tuned 87 Performance w/WOT Removed, Kool Vue CAI, Rear Axle Vent Mod, Bakflip G2, Radiator bypass, LED conversion.
In Progress: 285's, IMS, exhaust, LED courtesy lights, super on the down-low LED light bar project, Cargo light delete, skids, LED reverse floods, coilovers Axle Vent Mod & Radiator Bypass South Jersey
It depends what you are looking for. If you HAVE to have a 3" lift and want some travel to go with it, then titan-swap. Yes factory UCA/LCA will work, and yes you can keep your front diff and use the longer axles.
If you can live with a solid 2" lift then get some extended Radflos and aftermarket UCA's to go with them, but you may want to contact Greg at PRG to find out just how much more droop his UCA gives you before you make up your mind (I'd love to know those numbers too). My opinion on this is that for the price of those parts, you are well on your way to a swap and if there is any doubt that you wouldn't be happy, then you might as well keep saving for the real deal. Of course, if the aftermarket UCA's allow a significant amount of extra droop, and remain safe for the CV axles, then it sure would be a nice middle-ground. PRG states for their UCA's:
"The arms are designed to allow the maximum droop possible with absolutely no harm to your CV joints or ball joints or CV boots."
That's good to know, but it would be even better to know just how much more droop than a stock UCA that happens to be, especially for those shopping around and considering their options for off-road performance. I emailed Greg at PRG awhile ago asking for that information but never got a response, and I'm hesitant to call and bug him just to ask questions without intent to buy.
...Or you can just stick with your spacers. It's up to you and what you want to justify spending on your suspension.
As far as travel goes. Think about it this way: With stock UCA's you wont get any more droop than that of a stock truck, even if you are lifted 3". You are just trading down-travel for lift. The more lift, the less down travel. I would be happy as can be if we could slap on a budget 2.5" lift and gain that much more droop as well so that we would atleast have the down travel of a stock truck, but nope...we have to t-swap for that.
I regard to the extra droop with prg ucas, when I installed mine I measured the difference in droop between stock and Greg's and I was surprised at the little difference I saw. The difference was only about an inch more droop over stock. That is of course at the wheel with out the extra compression of the bumpstop by the spring. But I guess a little bit goes a long way because I very rarely hit the bumpstops ever.
I regard to the extra droop with prg ucas, when I installed mine I measured the difference in droop between stock and Greg's and I was surprised at the little difference I saw. The difference was only about an inch more droop over stock. That is of course at the wheel with out the extra compression of the bumpstop by the spring. But I guess a little bit goes a long way because I very rarely hit the bumpstops ever.
Thanks! This is in comparison to the stock UCA resting on the coil bucket, correct?
1" is about the most I was expecting. It's not much, but certainly enough to make a difference in CB contact for those running over 2" of lift. Not so much in restoring down travel after lifting though, however every little bit helps.
__________________ 2012 Pro-4x CC
Mods: Bilstein 5100/OME coils, Shackles/Bilstein 5125, Hefty Sliders, BFG 255/85r16 KM2's, Tinted windows, LEDs (interior, cargo, backup), Amsoil Ea filter
Pipe Dream: Custom bumpers, Calmini/Titan swap with full length coilovers, Alcan rear springs
Correct. Stock resting on the coil bucket. Somewhere I also put up the full suspension travel numbers of stock and with upper arms. It was measured from bumpstop to bumpstop at the wheel with no shock mounted. not sure if your interested in that but I know it's up on the site somewhere.
Do you know what the difference is between a titan uca and those ucas for droop? Im pretty sure the tswap is what im going to do I thought at first that titan swap meant 5 inches of lift plus, but it looks like its pretty much adjustable for whatever height and you get all the travel you could need. Definitely look like this is the ultimate way to go for any kind of hard wheeling
__________________
07 frontier: titan swapped, bilstein 5100's, cooper atps, hids, kicker sub and speakers, k&n cai, bullydog gt
Somewhere I also put up the full suspension travel numbers of stock and with upper arms. It was measured from bumpstop to bumpstop at the wheel with no shock mounted. not sure if your interested in that but I know it's up on the site somewhere.
So according to you, the PRG UCA's with TJM extended coilovers allow for 1/4" more droop travel and nearly an inch more overall travel than TJM normal coilovers. EDIT: Wait, your post says you measured "hub to fender."
I have this bookmarked from elsewhere on the site:
Quote:
Stock front suspension travel is 6"
With coilovers and after-market control arms you get 8 to 9".
With a Titan Swap you get 11 to 12"
But I would take it with a grain of salt (11-12"? holy fawk!). The person who posted it is not Titan swapped and didn't cite his source.
You definitely get noticeably more droop travel and overall travel with a properly set up Titan swap. If you want proof, look for pics of crewmaxxis's truck.
The AutoGuide.com network consists of the largest network of enthusiast-owned enthusiast-operated automotive communities.
AutoGuide.com provides the latest car reviews, auto show coverage, new car prices, and automotive news. The AutoGuide network operates more than 100 automotive forums where our users consult peers for shopping information and advice, and share opinions as a community.
2005 Nissan Frontier SE
But a TS is the way to go if you have the funds to support it.
Linear Mode
