Point well taken, I would agree to "some" but not all of your points. I am not into heated arguments either but the information/opinions shared by owners of frontiers is more of making aware of what their experience is regarding the timing chain issue. I have my oil changes done at the dealership simply because I am not mechanically inclined and the package for the oil changes is fairly priced. I am trusting that any TSB either current or of the past is addressed by the dealership and as a consumer I would think that the dealership or manufacturer would do the same. I bought my truck 2006 brand new and all the service done in the dealership except for "major" fluid replacement which is cheaper if done in other shops. A few months after the warranty was over at 75,000 miles about 3 months ago I had an CEL (transmission and radiator replacement)I posted this issue in another topic and was glad that nissan did cover for everything including truck rental while my truck was in the shop. 3500 miles later I went in for an oil change (same dealer) for 6 years and to check the new parts installed (radiator and transmission) mechanic said it was all good and then the service adviser told me about the whinning sound coming from the timing chain. My point is now that I am out of warranty does it mean that I will have something fixed in my truck everytime I have an oil change? Your opinion sir that things do get broken means that I bought a truck brand new and after 6 years it falls apart, in fact I am encountering problem after problem everytime I go for an oil change and your line of reasoning as I understand is "it is a fact of life"? The parts person quoted me 500+ for the parts alone and approximately 5 hours of work-this is a fact of life and next time I come in another thing will pop out?
The dealers knew about the TSB in 2009 if they addressed the issue when I was in warranty will I have to worry about raising 1500 or so dollars now to fix something that was established 3 years ago. Just the facts man.
I can empathize with you on the being out of warranty and it seeming like its one thing after another. My opinion is, you're over-analyzing the failures. My reasoning:
- Timing BELTS have a service life of 60k miles. So, with that being said, had you bought a car with belts, you'd have to have them replaced... every 60k miles. While you're in there, replace the water pump too, typically last 60-80k miles. Probably a good 6-800$ repair depending on shop. Figure you keep the vehicle 140-180k miles, yup, you get to do that 2-3x.. so, you're out 1600-2400$ Just on regular maintenance of timing components. IT HAS TO BE DONE.
- Timing chains have an expected life of 100k miles before they FAIL completely (as-in stretch beyond service limit, or break) Most times they'll last longer than that and just be noisy.. and cost about 1000$ to replace. So, same 140-180k miles.. and yup, you replaced it once. for ~1000$.
- Transmission/radiator issue is well known, you said yourself, Nissan covered it.. thats easily a 4500$ repair or better (Be glad it happened in warranty!!). Sure, it hurts to know you had a problem with a new car/truck. No one wants to have problems with a high dollar purchase, but you have to realize though, it doesn't matter what kind of vehicle you buy, they're all going to need high dollar repairs in their service life time. Hundreds of parts are stressed under even the lightest use, and as Henry Ford perfected it, planned obsolescence has worked its way into everything. (Build something that lasts forever and you build yourself out of revolving income. Build it to break and you get to sell replacement parts!)
- TSB's are not REQUIRED to be addressed, unless the customer requests it. Nor are they required to be performed for free, or at a reduced rate. They're simply an acknowledgement of an issue, a repair procedure for rectifying it, and symptoms/causes for the failure. You know as well as I do, companies and people are going to do the bare minimum to get by, unless they're asked to do more. Thats why it wasn't address in 09...
-Changing the oil, having it serviced, changing fluids, and rotating the tires (Maintenance) is not a prevent-all for failures, it's a preventative measure against premature failure. Premature indicates inevitability.
- Your truck is not falling apart, it's at the age/mileage when things break due to normal wear and tear. You fix what breaks, and it runs another 75-100k miles. Beats a car payment! Unless you can afford a new car every 5 years, expect to put money in the one you own to keep it going down the road. Just the facts...
I can empathize with you on the being out of warranty and it seeming like its one thing after another. My opinion is, you're over-analyzing the failures. My reasoning:
- Timing BELTS have a service life of 60k miles. So, with that being said, had you bought a car with belts, you'd have to have them replaced... every 60k miles. While you're in there, replace the water pump too, typically last 60-80k miles. Probably a good 6-800$ repair depending on shop. Figure you keep the vehicle 140-180k miles, yup, you get to do that 2-3x.. so, you're out 1600-2400$ Just on regular maintenance of timing components. IT HAS TO BE DONE.
- Timing chains have an expected life of 100k miles before they FAIL completely (as-in stretch beyond service limit, or break) Most times they'll last longer than that and just be noisy.. and cost about 1000$ to replace. So, same 140-180k miles.. and yup, you replaced it once. for ~1000$.
- Transmission/radiator issue is well known, you said yourself, Nissan covered it.. thats easily a 4500$ repair or better (Be glad it happened in warranty!!). Sure, it hurts to know you had a problem with a new car/truck. No one wants to have problems with a high dollar purchase, but you have to realize though, it doesn't matter what kind of vehicle you buy, they're all going to need high dollar repairs in their service life time. Hundreds of parts are stressed under even the lightest use, and as Henry Ford perfected it, planned obsolescence has worked its way into everything. (Build something that lasts forever and you build yourself out of revolving income. Build it to break and you get to sell replacement parts!)
- TSB's are not REQUIRED to be addressed, unless the customer requests it. Nor are they required to be performed for free, or at a reduced rate. They're simply an acknowledgement of an issue, a repair procedure for rectifying it, and symptoms/causes for the failure. You know as well as I do, companies and people are going to do the bare minimum to get by, unless they're asked to do more. Thats why it wasn't address in 09...
-Changing the oil, having it serviced, changing fluids, and rotating the tires (Maintenance) is not a prevent-all for failures, it's a preventative measure against premature failure. Premature indicates inevitability.
- Your truck is not falling apart, it's at the age/mileage when things break due to normal wear and tear. You fix what breaks, and it runs another 75-100k miles. Beats a car payment! Unless you can afford a new car every 5 years, expect to put money in the one you own to keep it going down the road. Just the facts...
Had my timing chain tensioners replaced at the dealership, I had to plead my case and NISSAN paid for the parts I had to pay 650 for the labor and had my serpentine belt replaced for 25 bucks. I think I was better off compared to other members who had to shell out a whooping 1200-1500 to have the tensioners replaced. On a positive note my dealership took care of me.
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I've been hearing this whine for awhile now. I was told by the dealer that my warrant was up at the END of may so I made sure to get to the dealer before the end of may and with my truck at 59,500 miles. They diagnosed it as the tensioners very quickly. Then they told me that my warranty had actually expired a week earlier! Called Nissan consumer affairs thinking that it wouldn't be a problem. They call back and tell me that they will not help at all!!
We have had six Nissan vehicles in the family and they don't seem to care whatsoever. It's so frustrating dealing with a company that doesn't seem to care at all about there customers. Some of you have had luck but I have obviously not had any at all.
Who do you suggest I contact up the corporate ladder to try and get this fixed?
I've been hearing this whine for awhile now. I was told by the dealer that my warrant was up at the END of may so I made sure to get to the dealer before the end of may and with my truck at 59,500 miles. They diagnosed it as the tensioners very quickly. Then they told me that my warranty had actually expired a week earlier! Called Nissan consumer affairs thinking that it wouldn't be a problem. They call back and tell me that they will not help at all!!
We have had six Nissan vehicles in the family and they don't seem to care whatsoever. It's so frustrating dealing with a company that doesn't seem to care at all about there customers. Some of you have had luck but I have obviously not had any at all.
Who do you suggest I contact up the corporate ladder to try and get this fixed?
Keep pushing your case. Call Consumer Affairs again and ask to speak to a supervisor. Be polite and explain you don't understand why your warranty had expired.
I had 70K miles when mine started whining. Cost me $1800.
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I lucked out. Just got my Frontier used with 90K miles and it was whining to beat the band. Convinced the dealer to have it fixed before i bought it. Would have never known about the issue if it was not for this forum
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I am hearing a slight whining noise upon start up but it quickly goes away when the engine is warm....you cant hear it from inside the cab with the windows down or anything like that. It kind of sounds like a bad pulley in the serpentine belt area. is this in any possible way the secondary timing chain or is it something else?
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I am hearing a slight whining noise upon start up but it quickly goes away when the engine is warm....you cant hear it from inside the cab with the windows down or anything like that. It kind of sounds like a bad pulley in the serpentine belt area. is this in any possible way the secondary timing chain or is it something else?
It might be at the starting stages, but when it goes, you will be able to hear it in the cab no problem. And as others have stated and I agree, it sounds like a bad electrical ground as it gets higher during acceleration. It follows the whole RPM range. You won't be able to hear it real good on the highway though as road noise drowns it out. Just got mine back from being repaired and the truck accelerates like new now. No noise. Pretty much solidifies not going Nissan in the future for me.
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