WRP pulley causes problems for Titan

[shinermiller]

I love my WRP pulleys.. And after 50k+ miles on them... They will stay there till the truck goes ka-put

[BRUTAL]

Well I Still Have Mine On, And Yes I Know All Very Well Both Sides Of The Arguements. I Run An Ati Fluidamper On The Suburban, And A Tci Rattler On The Race Car, But I Also Know That If You Talk To These Companies They Say The Factory Dampers Do Little To Dampen Torsional Twist From Cylinder Firing. So Since We Dont Have A Good Aftermarket Damper Like These I Decided To Go The Other Way With Much Lighter And Reduced Speed. Is It Worth It? Time And A Dyno Runs Before And After Would Be More Telling. I Have Also Read All 220+ Posts And Will Has Through His Actions(or Speedy Lack Of To The Buying Public) Brought On Another Witch Hunt, And Yes Thats What It Is. Wills Finally Gotten Gaskets Out On The Ims, And It Took Along Time, And The Titan Ps Pulleys Arent Underdriven, But Other Than That Theres No Problem With Balance, If You Want To Get Right Down To It The Cp On The Front Is Relatively Inconsequential On The Rotating Asembly Balance, It Is An Internally Balanced Engine And Although The Weight Is Important For Certain Apps Ours Is Not One. The Pistons, Rings, Rods Bearing Anything That Swings On The Cranks Throws Is What The Machine Shop Wants When Balancing An Engine, And They Pretty Well Go Down To a Gram Or Less When Blueprinting But The Factory Never Does This As They Have A "range" They Find Is Perfectly Acceptable. They Can Be Much More Precise But Thats Not What Mass Production And Cost Budgeting Is About For Automakers. All The Pulleys Made By Mr Gasket, Moroso Etc Are Not Individually Balanced, And If You Get Down To It And Want To Be Picky The Whole Rotating Assembly, Crank, Pistons,rings, Rods, Bearings, Flexplate Torque Convertor Or Clutch, And Crank Pulley Can All Be Balanced As An Assembly. I Have Built Alot Of Racing Engines And Most All Builders Do Not Do This, Only What Swings On The Cranks Throws, first you make all the pistons weigh the same, balance the rods on the big and small ends, then weigh bearings and rings, you take all the weights and set up bob weights to simulate these weights on each throw, running the crankshaft on the balancer and add or subtract weight as needed until ideal. We Do Things Like Tune, Make Ims's, Exhaust And Cai And Extract Even More Power. People Ask Why Doesnt The Factory Do That, Well They Can But Thats Not What Stays In Budget Through Time And Cost. Sorry To Ramble But I Think That If Someone On Ct Would Do What I Did With The Ims And Actually Check Rather Than Speculate They May Or May Not Come To The Same Conclusion Theyre Trying To Say Is Fact. 3 Flexplate Failures With Wrp Cp's Is Not Conclusive. I Have Replaced Many A Cracked Flex Plates Over The Years On totally Stock Stuff, Now Add Some Power And Yes Maybe The Cp Does Contribute, But Then Again maybe Its A Perfect Storm And Takes A Combo Of Things Along With It To Do It. I Have My Opinions On The Issue But Theyre Just That.. Mine And I Try Not To Speak Without Some Basis Of Fact Or Testing, And I Am Not Going To Get Accused Of Being Wills Boy Either, If My Opinion Differs From The Mob. Right Now Theyre Mad And I Think With Good Reason On The Ps Pulley. But Again Nothing Gets Solved That Way Either As We Saw With The Ims And The Very Same Thing Going On Online.lots of specualtion and accusations with divisions amoung past online friends and little work to resolutions...anyway I Digress
Later, Bill

[igbar]

Will's track record with other online forums along with his "fight with the customer 'til they shut up" mentality are one of the biggest drivers of the "witch hunt", IMO.

A lot of these comments in support of WRP and Will do seem reasonable in a vacuum-- but like I said above, given Will's history with machining parts and (supposed) lack of quality assurance, it seems less likely to be an isolated incident.

[MOBEEBO]

Originally Posted by shinermiller

I love my WRP pulleys.. And after 50k+ miles on them... They will stay there till the truck goes ka-put

Amen my brother. No problems here...I don't know about the PS pulleys on the Titans but ours are the same as the Titan and mine is underdriven and working fine. I have almost 50K on my truck as well.

[Mainerunr]

Originally Posted by MOBEEBO

Amen my brother. No problems here...I don't know about the PS pulleys on the Titans but ours are the same as the Titan and mine is underdriven and working fine. I have almost 50K on my truck as well.

I think that's the problem, underdriven for us may not be underdriven for them but they were advertised that way.

Brutal, without quoting your whole post, I know what you are saying and I understand it. If Will's reactions were a little better, I dont think these things would ever get to the level that they do. Like someone on CT said, if Will had the customer service and attitude that Greg has, it never would have been an issue, it would have been taken care of (the PS pulley I mean)

[dubie2003]

Originally Posted by toyniss

^^^hence the reason for a severe drop in price of the ims. shows ya how much money he really made of us compared to what it probably actually cost him.

Have you considered the actual cost of machining the new IMS? It does not have the gasket groves which are the tricky part to machine. The bits break and they cost money. The larger holes and edges are easier to machine because you can use a larger bit that won't break as easily. Then the fact that a "paper" gaskets is now being using instead of the factory o-rings.

Originally Posted by Pro2X

not trying to defend will/wrp by any means but to my understanding the price drop is because he no longer drills out the channels for the oem gaskets. He uses a flat solid gasket that is cut the same as the IMS.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by ajsilvaoc

I just read the post on club titan. This guy Will has really burned a lot of bridges here, club titan, maxima.org, sentra. Nissan doesn't make that many more cars. Will he start on the taco next? Maybe kick Chevy, they are already down.

Not a taco but maybe an EcoTec the chevy makes. Maybe a Pontiac Soltics?

Originally Posted by MOBEEBO

Do any of these guys have any PROOF that the pulley has done anything? No. They BELIEVE it is responsible because all of the trucks with a cracked flexplate have a pulley. The engines are internally balanced just like ours, if the vibration was that bad the belt tensioner and accessories would have a problem first in my opinion. I think all of the beating on the trucks at the dragstrip is responsible for it. That flexplate is a weak oem one. If you want to go racing than beef it up or break it.

There are a couple of common elements. Most have CAMS, UpRev, drag race, etc... It appears so far that the pulley was the last thing to be changed so it must be the problem which might not be so. I am sure they will check out the pulleys from the trucks with broken flexplates and compare them to the ones without and see if there is a difference. It might be all the mods added up and caused it or the WRP pulley itself. I guess in time we will see.

Even thou the VK is internally balanced. There might be an issue because the cylinders are at 90* compared to the VQ's at 60*. Could possibly cause more vibration which is not good when you don't have a HB.

Originally Posted by Mainerunr

I think that's the problem, underdriven for us may not be underdriven for them but they were advertised that way.

Exactly but what says Will doesn't have plans on getting new ones to them? I know it has been time but the same for the IMS, it took time for the replacement gaskets. It is just his MO, it takes time for the replacements to come out. Probably due to his cash flow, not everyone has the money just laying around for 15 pulleys to be machined at once.

[sexy6chick]

Originally Posted by dubie2003

Probably due to his cash flow, not everyone has the money just laying around for 15 pulleys to be machined at once.

Then he shouldn't be making them! He would have the cash flow had he actually made the things right the first time and had good customer service.

This whole thing never ends..it makes me want to

[agtitan06]

Originally Posted by sexy6chick

Then he shouldn't be making them! He would have the cash flow had he actually made the things right the first time and had good customer service.

This whole thing never ends..it makes me want to

Well, he brags on his myspace that he makes $150,000!

[mike]

I can't believe I am going to post in another one of these damn topic's about WRP! But the price drop, probably has more to do with a new competor.

Personally I would not buy anthing from him if it was Half off the current price. Not only does he lack Cutomer Service but he dosn't test his products.

[dubie2003]

Originally Posted by sexy6chick

Then he shouldn't be making them! He would have the cash flow had he actually made the things right the first time and had good customer service.

This whole thing never ends..it makes me want to

I agree, you should always have the cash-flow to do it but he decided to go out on a limb and play a tricky game. I guess he failed but if he ever does fix the PS issue, then it is only the CP that would be in focus. He might even be able to recoupe some of the cost by selling the lightweight Titan (actual underdriven Frontier) PS pulleys "used". Make it half price and I am sure someone will buy it. Well, maybe not on CF but possilbe FB or Ebay.

Originally Posted by mike

I can't believe I am going to post in another one of these damn topic's about WRP! But the price drop, probably has more to do with a new competor.

Personally I would not buy anthing from him if it was Half off the current price. Not only does he lack Cutomer Service but he dosn't test his products.

The competitor might have something to do with it but a portion is due to the machining aspect. The new design is just simplier which helps keep the cost down.

P.S. I still wonder if the competitor is going to stick with the RTV thing or use a "paper" gasket since most people hate the RTV thing?

He may not test his products to what we would want it to but at this point, from others, we know it works and it makes power (IMS that is). This is why I waited a month or more to install the CP and then again the IMS.